WWII Late War HP rig

[pdstout]

Guys here is a MINT Late War Highpower Rig. The holster is harder to find than the HP. The guy I got it from said he had the capture papers, if he could find them.
P. Stout
http://i217.photobucket.com/albums/c...dstout/hp5.jpg
http://i217.photobucket.com/albums/c...dstout/hp6.jpg
http://i217.photobucket.com/albums/c...dstout/hp7.jpg
http://i217.photobucket.com/albums/c...dstout/hp4.jpg
http://i217.photobucket.com/albums/c...dstout/hp8.jpg
http://i217.photobucket.com/albums/c...dstout/hp9.jpg

[heers68]

Very nice!! I would love to have a rig like this! Kevin.

[Matt Weber]

Very nice looking rig! Actually late war (43-44) dated HP holsters are not hard to find at all. In fact, you can find them in minty, un-issued conditon. It's the early dated ones (41-42) that are tough to find now!

Matt

[cpw]

41 and 42 dated holsters have always been hard to find.

The pebble grained holsters are not that common. Obviously, 41 dated pebble grained holsters are harder to find that 44 dated pebble grained. But as stated, as a type they are not that common.

As to the holster shown it should be noted that the pebble grained holsters were not marked in such manner and location. Plus 'bdt' did not manufacture Hi-Power holsters in 1944, nor did they manufacture pebble grained holsters.

[pdstout]

Fn Rig

CPW, where do you get your information??? Look in the book Holsters and Sholder stocks of the world by Anthony Vanderlinden page 89. I guess he has pitcures of FAKES! bdt did make pebble grain holsters in 1944, and they are marked the same as the FN rig in this post. Does this book post fakes?
P. Stout

[breda65]

I just happened to have the book Mr stout was mentioning. And on page 90, BDT made holsters in 44, also here on page 89 the BDT marks look the same. I don't see that they are wrong,could you be?

[cpw]

No, I am not mistaken.

If you look carefully, you will notice that the date on the holster you circled is "1941" ----------- not 1944.

Additionally you will note that the location of the date on the holster in the book is different than that shown on Stout's holster. Small point, but the 1941 and 1943 bdt holsters are marked in the same manner. Some of the other manufacturers did it differently.

FYI, in the front of the book you referenced my name is shown as one of the contributors.

[breda65]

I circled that one to show that the style is the same. you also stated that BDT didn't make the holster in 44. But according to the chart on page 90 they did. I'm not convinced.

[cpw]

breda65


I have been collecting/dealing in Hi-Powers and accessories for about 40 years. Bill Drollinger has been doing it even longer. We combined the holster data and it was published in the AutoMag. It contains about twice the number of varations of holster combinations and marking/type variations as is shown in the book you referenced. Neither of us have seen any bdt 44s.

Additionally, "All" of the pebble grain holsters seen to date have been marked "jkh" Until this example, no other manufacturer has been seen to use pebble grain type material for holsters.

Its possible, but is it probable?

Considering also, the original poster also came up with a heretofore unknown SS marked Hi-Power and also a pre-war Hi-Power that has a stock numbered to the Hi-Power, although the serial number markings on the stock are not in the Belgian pattern or method of doing the numbering.

Reminds me of the Hi-Power that is Finnish navy marked - but has E/63 (Mauser) proofs and the German test proof. Funny how that Hi-Power was inspected and proofed at the Mauser factory in 1939 in Germany, when it was sitting on a shelf at the FN factory in Belgium.

[breda65]

so are you saying the list on page 90 in the book is wrong? If so that who's right . Every (Expert) on these forums say to study the books. Well I am. Here is a book that says there were BDT44 holsters made. I didn't write it the (Experts did.)

[Gary Cain]

By all means you have to study books, but do remember they are constantly being updated as new information comes to light, or as errors are pointed out to the authors. In some cases addenda sheets are added to new books because they were printed but then errors came to light.
No one is perfect and errors exist in virtually every book written on collectibles. Also never forget that many people writing the books are not experts on the subject. They are authors who may like the subject they are writing about but use others to help them when their information runs dry.


Gary

so are you saying the list on page 90 in the book is wrong? If so that who's right . Every (Expert) on these forums say to study the books. Well I am. Here is a book that says there were BDT44 holsters made. I didn't write it the (Experts did.)

[breda65]

I agree completely. but if you read CPW replies he states he is an expert of 40 years. and that this is widely known the holster is wrong. If you look on page 89 it says the holster was made from 40-45, and he knew this when the book was written and that there was no BDT 44 marked holsters. I feel from reading the post that CPW dosn't like PD Stouts things but reading all of PD Stouts post I don't think he has tried to sell anyone any of his things. And I don't care if they belonged to Hitler himself. It sound like the old "If I don't have it then it's no good".