Origianl M1 Carbine???

[Chap15]

Any thoughts on this carbine??? Is it WWII? What markings would be on the stock??? Is Std Pro normal with a IBM Barrell?
Ser # 2114784 Std Pro.
Barrell is "IBM CORP" with a date of 12-43".
Thanks.

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[haserot]

Nice Carbine! Standard Products (STD PRO on receiver) did not make barrels, so they used "Government free issue barrels". IBM Corp (the same as the computer people) was one type of barrel Std Pro. used, along with Buffalo, Winchester, Inland, Marlin and Underwood. So a Std Pro receiver with an IBM barrel is about spot on historically.

Out of all the barrels, it is generally agreed upon that Underwoods were the best.

The first thing I noticed about your carbine is the rear sight is the 'early' style flip type peep. Many carbines were refitted with a windage and elevation type peep developed by John Garand.

Another thing is the flat style bolt. These are also considered an 'early' style as later units and rebuilds used a round bolt.

The top wood handguard is also an 'early' type, as later ones had 4 rivets to improve strength.

Hard to tell from the pics, but it looks to me as the safety is a 'flip lever' type, which is considered 'late'. Early safeties were a push button type, but they were changed so to not be confused with the magazine release button.

The IBM barrel was, as you may have guessed, made in December of '43.

Fortunately enough, the receiver serial # corresponds with Std. Pro. receivers made from OCT-DEC 1943. The last serial # credited to Std Pro at the end of 1943 is 2129000. That would leave me to believe that your barrel and receiver are as made and issued original!

The stock appears to be what's called M1 low wood with oval oiler arpeture, which is a 'late' model stock. Although admittedly I am not positive, and the presence of the early style handguard adds a little doubt. Does the stock have any markings in/on it?

BTW, I consider myself more of a carbine enthusiast than expert, but I'm pretty confident with this evaluation from the pics you've posted. Let me know if there are any other ?'s I can help with.

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here is a better pic
Great info..Thanks.

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The wood is very nice...but on the other side there is this mark perhaps.

[Ronnie Fry]

Hey Chap,
Nice looking carbine with a lot of early features. I agree with Haserot on most of his evaluation!! Early flip sight, flat bolt, early slide, no bayonet lug. It is not uncommon to find an early handguard on a later stock. They are simple to change. If the stock was original, should be marked SJ, or S-HB in the sling well. Can't tell from the photo about the cartouche on the right side. Different mfgrs had slightly diff. marks here, and different sizes.
My curiosity is with the markings on the bevel below the serial number. Could you get some better photos of these?? Do you know anything of the history of this rifle??

Thanks for posting, Sir!!

r

[Chap15]

Thanks for the comments.
How are these pics???
The history...brought it from an old guy non vet. Couldn't tell me much about it.

[Ronnie Fry]

Chap,
Boy, you are right on top of this one!! Thanks for the quick reply..
Well, one thing for sure, the recoil plate is Winchester.
Even with your photos, it's still hard to tell what's on the bevel below the s/n. Can you tell what the marks are?? Looks like maybe a double stamped "S" with a circle around it? I'm unfamiliar with any marks like that.
Of course there were some receivers mfg for others, and some were marked in this spot. Std. Prods. was not among them. At least not that researchers are aware of.

r

[jdbwoodsman]

If that is a Circle S and it looks like it...it's conjecture that is the mark of Sedgley of Philadelphia, PA. They did some work on military firearms (outside the channel of US Ordnance) and today some that bear that mark are speculated to be the firearms that Sedgley worked on?? You'll find a circle S on M1903's, M1911's and now this one looks the same. Don't know.

[Ronnie Fry]

JB,
I knew that mark looked familiar, but just couldn't put it together!!

Thanks for your knowledgable reply, Sir!!

r

[Chap15]

The stamp under the SN is "3".
Any thoughts on the stock????
Thanks again!!!

[scotty1418]

stock marking ressembles a us ordnance marking to me?