WWI Luger holster worth? $1,100.00?

[PlaceOfBayonets]

Are these things really worth this amount? I thought I've seen the whole pistol sell for 1400.00 in a few cases. This is only the holster.

http://cgi.ebay.com/GERMAN-WW1-1916-...QQcmdZViewItem

It's unit and maker marked but wow over a grand?

Wilhelm

[james m]

PoB:
Understand that anyone is free to ask any price for something even if the vast majority think it's insane. Who knows some sucker might actually pay it! 3rd Reich dealers ask unbelievable prices for items all the time and so do gun dealers.
The whole Luger thing has been hyped beyond belief as have several 3rd Reich collectibles recently turning what were primarily hobbies into a very big and treacherous businesses. Anyway JMO.
Jim

[PlaceOfBayonets]

PoB:
Understand that anyone is free to ask any price for something even if the vast majority think it's insane. Who knows some sucker might actually pay it! 3rd Reich dealers ask unbelievable prices for items all the time and so do gun dealers.
The whole Luger thing has been hyped beyond belief as have several 3rd Reich collectibles recently turning what were primarily hobbies into a very big and treacherous businesses. Anyway JMO.
Jim

OK well reason I asked was because I assumed he was also selling the pistol but on the hush. I wrote and asked politly if this was the case and mentioned I had a C&R FFL. I really did not want to buy it even if it came with the pistol I just wanted to know and assumed he might also include the gun.
The reply was very rude and he insulted me by stating my question was stupid and I must have been joking because no one that stupid can write.

I see now he just might be the retard here. Damn power sellers

W.

[Will Brown]

It's all about the dough, Joe. (Wilhelm, actually)

If you choose to converse with Ebay sellers regarding the trash (usually) they are peddling you can expect rude reactions like that.

They are only interested if you are seriously interested in bidding.

Seems like good manners are in as short a supply as morality where most of them are concerned. Not all of course, I am sure there are lots of honest sellers out there in Ebay land, but from what I have observed they are quickly becoming an endangered species. Unfortunately the ones we always seem to hear about are the crooked ones.

[r.blue]

I've purchaed from this seller and he's been on ebay for years. He's a straight up dealer. He usually has high end holsters for sale so the prices will reflect that.
I admit he's not much in the personality department but you can bid in confidence with him.
R.Blue

[phild]

I agree that the seller is very legit. He does generally ask the top end for his items but they are nice and he is by no means alone in his pricing.

I dare say that the holster may be considered on the cheap price side for what it is. It is, all things considered, one of the very finest in terms of condition, markings and overall "curb appeal", Lange P 08 holsters that I have seen for sale in over 35 years of looking at them and for them.

It is very very common for common date WWII 08 holsters in truly excellent condition to sell for $450 these days and I've seen mint ones and near mint pigskins sell for over $800 in the last year. It is a brave new world for collectors! My days of buying excellent Luger holsters from DEALERS for $12-$15 (and complaining about it at that!) each are long gone!

[PlaceOfBayonets]

I agree that the seller is very legit. He does generally ask the top end for his items but they are nice and he is by no means alone in his pricing.

I dare say that the holster may be considered on the cheap price side for what it is. It is, all things considered, one of the very finest in terms of condition, markings and overall "curb appeal", Lange P 08 holsters that I have seen for sale in over 35 years of looking at them and for them.

It is very very common for common date WWII 08 holsters in truly excellent condition to sell for $450 these days and I've seen mint ones and near mint pigskins sell for over $800 in the last year. It is a brave new world for collectors! My days of buying excellent Luger holsters from DEALERS for $12-$15 (and complaining about it at that!) each are long gone!

OK well that is why I posted here to check my facts. Over a grand seemed silly but what did I know? I only question the prices on what amounts to leather that is going to degrade and blow away in the wind some day hundreds of years from now.

W.

[phild]

OK well that is why I posted here to check my facts. Over a grand seemed silly but what did I know? I only question the prices on what amounts to leather that is going to degrade and blow away in the wind some day hundreds of years from now.

W.

"I feel your pain"! A few years ago I would have agreed with your concern on the price, but things have really taken off in the last few years. I think that generally P.08 holsters have run at about 20% or so of the price of the pistol that they correspond with. This is really a rough price comparison as there are so many other factors that enter into it. Given that really nice LP.08s are now bringing in the 4k to 5k price area say with matching mag or mags but no other accessories, it is not hard to believe that a super holster for one could bring over 1k.

You are sort of right about leather degrading, however there are a lot of solid leather artifacts around that are 150-200 years old and some 500 year old leather items remain in fairly good shape. Carefull modern storage techniques could keep this stuff around for a thousand years now baring some disaster. They recovered a lot of leather items on the sea floor from the Titanic! It was not in useable condition of course but it survived a heck of a lot better than the steel and iron that was down there!

[Will Brown]

Leather does not last forever being organic in nature but yes, with care and proper storage it can be around a long time without significantly degrading. However, this depends largely on the leather itself. If the leather stock used was quality stuff of a sufficiently high grade, and the tanning process was done properly with attention to detail the leather will thus have been able to retain it's moisture content and thereby keep it's original shape, texture and flexability like this holster appears to have done, 91 years after it was made. Lesser quality leather... well all bets are off. Some pieces survive but others, even with lots of TLC will end up stiffening and shrinking. We've all seen these unfortunate results.

In this case I agree with you, it is a very nice example of an Imperial era holster.

As for the leather recovered from Titanic, that survived because the micro-organisms down on the sea floor cannot stomach the tannic acid present in treated (tanned) leather. Since they could not breach the leather barrier, items like clothing and paper products encased within suitcases and wallets were kept safe from the micro-organisms and not consumed over time. Steel, iron, and most of the wood down there is fair game. Yes, I am a Titanic buff.

[Theodor]

I hate to be the bad news messenger... but the ship sank

[cpw]

I have made a few purchases from the ebay seller in the past. His descriptions (except for two) are accurate.

He also stands behind what he sells. I overheard him at a gunshow take back a holster (- one of the two.) No one is perfect in identifying holsters, considering all of the holster variations out there.

[mandy333]

Well worth it... IMO

Greetings: I'm not sure if we are all lookong at the same holster but from the pictures I see that are posted and and condition of this holster ...IMO it is definetly worth over $1,000.00. It is an artillery holster,in excellent condition ..the rarity of these are enormous.
Regards
Zeke

[Von Hoth]

Are these things really worth this amount? I thought I've seen the whole pistol sell for 1400.00 in a few cases. This is only the holster.

http://cgi.ebay.com/GERMAN-WW1-1916-...QQcmdZViewItem

It's unit and maker marked but wow over a grand?

Wilhelm

You obviously don't know what Luger collectors routinely spend on their hobby if you think 1100 bucks is too much for a holster.

They are dropping 3 to 5 grand for good lugers. They easily pay similar money for the proper holsters and accessories.

Being a school teacher, lugers are out of my league. It's a real shame I was not born a few decades ago so I could have collected lugers when they were 30 to 70 bucks.

The funniest thing to me is, the ppk's, pp's, and sauer 38h's I collect, are more rare and they are cheaper. Millions of lugers were made, millions.

If I had the money, I have to admit, I'd be the first sucker shelling out 5,000 dollars for good military marked lugers. They are just cool as hell.

[Matt Weber]

OK well reason I asked was because I assumed he was also selling the pistol but on the hush. I wrote and asked politly if this was the case and mentioned I had a C&R FFL. I really did not want to buy it even if it came with the pistol I just wanted to know and assumed he might also include the gun.
The reply was very rude and he insulted me by stating my question was stupid and I must have been joking because no one that stupid can write.

I see now he just might be the retard here. Damn power sellers

W.

W,

Well, I hate to tell you this, but your question to this seller was somewhat "stupid". (not trying to be insulting, just using your own description there).

First off, you can't sell guns on ebay! They won't allow it. Second, no where in his description did he mention the pistol was included. Third, this is an artillery luger holster. If he was selling an artillery luger with it, it would be probably priced at $2-$3k!!!

Now to answer your original question, "are these things really worth this amount?" The answer is "YES"!! Now that doesn't mean this particular one will sell for that price. If you check the auction out now, I think the high bid was close to $700. But some artillery luger holster will sell for over $1k.
Holsters are climbing in value every year. I have at least 3 or 4 holsters in my collection that I would not sell for under $1k!! (and 2 of them are P38 holsters!)
Now that doesn't mean that they are worth that much, just that I would not part with them for less than that amount. Perhaps this dealer was doing just the same thing. Or perhaps he wanted to find out how much he could get for it?

Matt

[Von Hoth]

you can get a artillery luger with holster for 2 to 3 grand?


I thought it would be more than that.


I still can't believe how millions of lugers were made but they cost 3 to 5 thousand dollars now.

that has got to be the most over priced item ever mass produced.