Just bought a 1916 Navy Luger

[GWA]

The holster's a reproduction and the cleaning rod is for an LP08 not a Navy. Can you post a photo of the rear axel pin in the receiver?

[GWA]

duplicate posting removed

[Nico C]

Magnificient Luger!!

Definatly the most beautiful pistol in the world!!!

[FestungSpanien]

Which ones are the most desireables and rare, the navy issue ones or the navy civilian ones?
BTW superb gun
Ace

[Douglas Jr.]

I agree: you should check the rear axel pin in the receiver. Short-frame Navy Lugers are heavily faked and this is the best way to identify an original one, as the pin has a larger head when compared with the standard Army P.08 and the Artillery LP08.

I´m not saying that THIS Navy is a fake, but I would check it with the due attention.

Greetings,

Douglas.

[TP Alexander]

Standby

Will have to wait until I receive it. Bought it, but don't have it yet.
Tim

[Lon]

The grips on this handsome pistol look great for 90 + years old! Are they numbered inside like the WW2 Luger grips?

Lon

[Josh Beckett]

I agree, its a very nice pistol.

[lugernut]

TP,
I would suggest that you post these pictures on Jan C Still's Luger forum Gunboards.com. Their you will get even more detailed opinions of your Navy. From what I can see the markings look good . I dont like the holster and rod. The finish looks real good. When you get the Luger try applying some semichrome with a white cloth. If the cloth turns brown thats a good indication that it is a rust blue. If it turns black or blue you got a problem.

[GWA]

The Simichrome test is actually to determine if the rust bluing is new. As Lugernut wrote you should hope to see a reddish-brown residue on the cloth after wiping with Simichrome. This is the natural occuring oxidation that dwells beneath the rust blue on an old original specimen. If the cloth comes away clean it is because there is no oxidation present which is a dead give away for a reblued piece.

In making the many counterfeit 1916 and 1917 Navies that now are floating around the perps typically have used 1920 commercials as the donor guns. New 6" barrels are added along with recently manufactured rear toggles. Then old proofs are removed and counterfeit Navy proofs added. This whole process requires that the gun be reblued at the end. Up until recently these bastards have neglected to refit a large flange axel pin into the rear toggle and their Navy proofs have been wrong so these are the two areas most often quick checked for authenticity.

[TP Alexander]

Thanx to all.

Well, it's like this.
Ya' go to Las Vegas or whereever and gamble. I'm gambling on this off of a website on the internet. I paid for it and it will be on the way. There is no really great picture, but yes, the proof marks do look correct. It's basically going to come down to the axel pin and I have asked the guy to send a picture of that .
I appreciate all the input and I'll get back to this thread when the pistolo comes in.
Tim

[Andy Harris]

Beautiful pistol!
I've got a standard Luger (1916 Erfurt) and an artillery model, but the collection will be incomplete until I obtain a naval model. Perhaps someday.

[Ronnie Fry]

TP,
Here is what GWA (George) is talking about. The right is toggle assy from a 1917 Navy with the larger pin. The left one from a 1920 Commercial. Just guessing from your other photos, yours will have the large pin.
r

[Von Hoth]

nice pictures.

I hope it turns out as everything you hoped for.

[TP Alexander]

Picture of axel pin

Picture of axel pin