MP/Stg 44 Experts

[thunderflash]

Question for you experts,----what are the specific things or markings to look for in order to recognize a post war rework from an original MP44 ?

[BrunoH]

Hi,

I'm not an expert. But.. if before the serial number, there is an 'X', that means that it has been re-used by the ex East Germany Army.

But it's still a MP44 build during WWII.

Anyway, have a look on the marking: MP44 or STG44 or anything else, the fabrication date, if all the pieces have the same number, the potential rust aso.

That's all I could tell you.

Don't hesitate to post some pictures of it before or after you find it.


Best regards

[Adrian Stevenson]

I would highly recommend this book if you don't already have it:

"Sturmgewehr: From Firepower to striking power"

I have an ex DDR MP44.

Cheers, Ade.

[Dr. Strangelove]

Reworks

I own a couple and I think one is a Czech re-work with the German serial # stamped out with a line and the new Czech serial number above it. The Czech serial number is much larger.

[dect]

Question for you experts,----what are the specific things or markings to look for in order to recognize a post war rework from an original MP44 ?

It's always like that... When I need pics of the markings I can't find them. Look for anything different that 2-3 letter codes, eagles and waffenamts - crossed out, overstamped etc. Pay attention to the "code area" with the rib underneath the receiver.

As far as I remember 4 countries remarked (changed and/or added other markings) the MPs: East Germany, Czechoslovakia, Yugoslavia and there were also some with arabic and israeli markings.

Below you have two examples of how rework may look like

New serial number


TRZ (yugo) marking on the stock


Hope it helps
Regards
Jacek

[STG44]

Besides the number markings, all the reworked guns that I have seen the selectors, bolts and bolt carriers (there may be a a couple other small parts which I can't remember off the top of my head) are blued when they should be in the white. All these rework guns were dip blued just like the import P.38's.

[thunderflash]

Thanks All !!

Appreciate all of your help !!

[k98]

May be you are right?

It's always like that... When I need pics of the markings I can't find them. Look for anything different that 2-3 letter codes, eagles and waffenamts - crossed out, overstamped etc. Pay attention to the "code area" with the rib underneath the receiver.

As far as I remember 4 countries remarked (changed and/or added other markings) the MPs: East Germany, Czechoslovakia, Yugoslavia and there were also some with arabic and israeli markings.

Below you have two examples of how rework may look like

New serial number


TRZ (yugo) marking on the stock


Hope it helps
Regards
Jacek

I'm the owner from the first MP 44 with the new Serial number,I don't know from where did you get the photo, but is ok.Just explain you that my mp44 is all matching with it's original number 8283 u, as it comes from Danemark, there to make it legal after the modification to semiauto they must put an new serial number, Danish law.
So to see traces of rework is like the k98, first look the serial number, it must be on the bolt and other pieces, with the same numbers( i mean made with the same tools )..Second look at the firing pin of the barrel, if it's not like mine of the photo, it could means that the barrel is replaced.Third the blueing, if looks relatively new, probably it has been reblued, the mp 44 normally have seen a lot of wearing,but not all of them.
I hope this helps you

[dect]

I'm the owner from the first MP 44 with the new Serial number,I don't know from where did you get the photo, but is ok.Just explain you that my mp44 is all matching with it's original number 8283 u, as it comes from Danemark, there to make it legal after the modification to semiauto they must put an new serial number, Danish law.
So to see traces of rework is like the k98, first look the serial number, it must be on the bolt and other pieces, with the same numbers( i mean made with the same tools )..Second look at the firing pin of the barrel, if it's not like mine of the photo, it could means that the barrel is replaced.Third the blueing, if looks relatively new, probably it has been reblued, the mp 44 normally have seen a lot of wearing,but not all of them.
I hope this helps you

Hello
I took it from this forum, sorry, I forgot to put a note about it. Your MP was more like an example how the rework (I mean, changing the s/n) may look like.

Regards
Jacek

[pete]

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Just out of interest:

After talking with an old guy of unquestionable source he told me that in the 50s-60s Tito sent 3,000 MP44 and alot of other kit to Eygpt to make freinds and more kit and Mp44 to Palestine. And, get this, on the side many "volunteers" from the former 13th SS and former partisans went to palestine under official sanction to fight aiding the arabs. The thing was from what he said those two ended up fighting each other more then the enemy!

Best,

Pete

[k98]

Ok no problem

Hello
I took it from this forum, sorry, I forgot to put a note about it. Your MP was more like an example how the rework (I mean, changing the s/n) may look like.

Regards
Jacek

Hi Jacek !
No problem at all.

[Time Bandit]

Another thing that hasn't been mentioned yet I don't think is that some (East German?) have an extra front sling attachment on the left hand side.
Mine is an East German one (I think?) and has this, and the mag is also marked MP44 and 1001 which I believe is signs of it being East German? It has from what I remember no altered markings and all the original manufacturers codes, waffenampts etc are still there.

Mine is a 1944 dated MP44.

[dect]

Another thing that hasn't been mentioned yet I don't think is that some (East German?) have an extra front sling attachment on the left hand side.
Mine is an East German one (I think?) and has this, and the mag is also marked MP44 and 1001 which I believe is signs of it being East German? It has from what I remember to altered markings and all the original manufacturers codes, waffenampts etc are still there.

Yes, '1001' is post war DDR assembly

[Hans Zeug]

Question for you experts,----what are the specific things or markings to look for in order to recognize a post war rework from an original MP44 ?

Here are some pics of my mp43 which is marked with an X, I was told when I bought the gun about 15 years ago that it was ex east German army.It's all matching numbers and probably reblued but I do not mind that it's still one of my favourite guns. There is small mark/stamping on the underside of the gun in the shape of a sunburst/flower head which I think was also on a G?K43 rifle that I was told is an E/German stamp of some kind.The mag that came with it is post war (marked 1001 MP44)and the gun was priced at £350 when I bought it, only wished I bought a couple more at the time! For comparison are 3 war time mags,a battlepack ammo box,2 smaller 15&20 boxes,a loading clip and a barrel plug removel tool. Best wishes at this time of the year regards Jerry.





Mark which looks like a dent, when magnified looks a bit like a large petaled flower head.

Post war mag on the left.

[dect]

a battlepack ammo box,

Could you please post some more pics of it? Nice mags

Regards
Jacek