were the same bullets used in...

[Glenn Barbaritz]

hi Guys, Glenn here. just wondering if the same bullets were used in the P08 as the P38? were these interchangeable? I know its a beginner question but in the realm of small firearms I am just a beginner. anyone... Glenn

[Bob in OH]

yes. the same rd

[Bill Grist]

They both use the same round 9mm Parabellum (9mm Luger)..BILL

[CollectRussia]

What about the K-98 and the MG-34? Same calibre but same round?

[Glenn Barbaritz]

good deal. thanks Guys. I have a full box of all matching '43 dated 9 mm bullets I got free (along with a few other full boxes of WWII German ammo) from a work buddy. all these rounds (as well as the other boxes) are from the same maker, lot number and year and all are in theyre original packages. I will definitely be keepimg the 9mm for a future display as I want to get a '43 P38 down the road. so this is good news to me. is this a hard to find deal? or are what I describe a pretty common find? Ill post pics of them if you would like, unless theyre a dime a dozen type thing. Glenn

[Grossfuss]

9mm ammo

Hi Glenn,
Just a footnote - years ago when a member of a pistol club shooting automatics, when we were allowed to do such things, 9mm ammo was available to shoot which was intended for the Stirling sub-machine-gun and/or the Browning High Power pistol. It was known as 2Z (if memory serves me right, from the headstamp on the bullet case) and was lethal in Lugers or P38s.
I've seen an extractor blown off a P08 and one day the slide on a P38 cracked across just behind the bridge over the barrel.
Thanfully this is a problem you're not likely to encounter.
Happy collecting!

[François B.]

That is correct.....
Some 9mm ammo will kill the P08 or P38, sub-machine gun ammo like the 2Z or Sten-ammo... They are to powerfull for the pistols...

The best to use is 9mm sub-sonic or 9mm weak loaded (not to weak )

But in WW2 the germans used their 9mm ammo for the P08, P38 and not to forget the MP's....

And with the 7,92 ammo, there are rounds you can use in the K98 and MG that is no problem.
But there were rounds specially produced for MG, not for rifles.....

Cheers

And Glenn, please post your pics of the boxes and ammo also in the Ordnance Forum

[Josh Beckett]

From what I have heard MG ammo has a larger rim than the rifle ammo.

[MikeW]

I read somewhere that the Luftwaffe had a 7.92x57 round loaded with higher pressure, around 2600 FS, they weren't issued to ground troops but snipers used them.

[Josh Beckett]

I read somewhere that the Luftwaffe had a 7.92x57 round loaded with higher pressure, around 2600 FS, they weren't issued to ground troops but snipers used them.

Thats alot of pressure, that would blow up an ordinary rifle.

[Tim G]

I read somewhere that the Luftwaffe had a 7.92x57 round loaded with higher pressure, around 2600 FS, they weren't issued to ground troops but snipers used them.

Correct on the fact that the lufftwaffe had some pretty hot loads, but then they had thier own inspectorate and development paths as the requirements of air to air combat dictated a different load out.

I would not like to comment on weather any snipers used it or not. I think i am right in saying that they did eventually start to produce some bespoke ammunition for snipers ,however it was always in short supply. As such that would result in the guys finding a particularly good batch of standard ammunition and hording it for themselves.

[Josh Beckett]

Correct on the fact that the lufftwaffe had some pretty hot loads, but then they had thier own inspectorate and development paths as the requirements of air to air combat dictated a different load out.

I would not like to comment on weather any snipers used it or not. I think i am right in saying that they did eventually start to produce some bespoke ammunition for snipers ,however it was always in short supply. As such that would result in the guys finding a particularly good batch of standard ammunition and hording it for themselves.

What does a box of that kind of ammo look like? Ill bet if you shot it in a regular mauser, you would have the bolt stuck in your eye.

[copdoc]

I put some pics of the 8mm MG ammo and the aircraft ammo here if you want to look.

http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...d.php?t=191072

[phild]

Thats alot of pressure, that would blow up an ordinary rifle.

There is a lot of incorrect information being posted in this thread...talking guns and ammo does that to people it seems.

I have fired a lot of Turkish 8mm Mauser (7.9x57 and 7.92x57 they are all the exact same) that cronographed at over 3000 fps with some in the batch at over 3200 fps. This was all out of a 98k and while I disliked the ammo, it was not unsafe for a proper built rifle. Recommended fps is closer to 2300-2400 for this round.

All German 8mm mauser chambered weapons would fire the same round and there was no specific versions that had to be fired from MGs or rifles...there were different loads, projectile materials/weights and case materials...but no exclusive 8mm for one type of weapon.

I agree about the dangers of firing SMG loaded 9mm (or any hot loaded) in older pistols...I've seen personally a fair number damaged from this.

All of the German WWII 9mm Parabellum would work and interchange in any 9mm Parabellum pistol (there were many other 9mm pistols in use in Europe that would not fire the 9mm Parabellum rd) or Machine Pistol, however the Germans marked many of the boxes as "Nur fur MP" meaning only use in Machine Pistols. Hard to say if this ammo would have damaged a Luger or P.38 with occasional use but the German's felt it serious enough to mark the boxes.

[Johnnie]

Wartime German 7.92mm ammunition came in a variety of styles and types(e.g.) ball, tracer, incenderary, tropical, grenade launching, ect. The cases were all the same size (brass or steel)and all loadings were for both rifle and M.G. In addition, they used a tremendous ammount of captured 7.92mm, E.G. Polish, Czech, Jugo, ect.
German small arms ammo types and markings are a hobby sub species in themselves.

Johnnie