relic condition gun

[redline09]

hi,

im looking for ww2 german relic condition (rusty) guns, p38 etc (just to frame)

i was just wondering if anyone can point me in the direction of a website that sell these items?

thanks

[Von Hoth]

being that you're across the pond, you should be able to find these alot easier than us.

It's so freaking cool that if you have the time you can take the train to belgium, germany, etc. and go digging. I think a bunch of guys on this forum do that. (of course, they may not tell you their favorite spots. LOL)

there is a guy on here that found two gold party badges like(he had clues where to look) how is that for looking around?

[Time Bandit]

Do rusty/relic guns still need to be 'deactivated' to make them legal here in the UK? I'm sure I read somewhere about someone finding and aircraft cannon/MG in a crash site somewhere in the UK but even though it was well paggered (rusty/bent etc etc) they couldn't keep it because as far as plod were concerned it was still officially a live gun (and a machine gun at that) even if it would never fire again.

[redline09]

Do rusty/relic guns still need to be 'deactivated' to make them legal here in the UK? I'm sure I read somewhere about someone finding and aircraft cannon/MG in a crash site somewhere in the UK but even though it was well paggered (rusty/bent etc etc) they couldn't keep it because as far as plod were concerned it was still officially a live gun (and a machine gun at that) even if it would never fire again.

yeah your probably right

[rove]

relic guns like mps, mgs and so on fallen under warguns law and are in austria, germany prohibited to own without deactivated.

k98, p39,l08 etc are normal weapons and you need a permission to own it

but all are to sign at police

[SvenWittnebel]

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It's so freaking cool that if you have the time you can take the train to belgium, germany, etc. and go digging. ...

Short and simple: To own any firearm made since 1871, You need a license here in Germany, regardless of which condition. The same rules for main parts like barrels and recievers...

[SvenWittnebel]

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k98, p39,l08 etc are normal weapons and you need a permission to own it

but all are to sign at police

There is no legal way to dig some relic guns out and went home with them with or without a notice to the police.

[dect]

There is no legal way to dig some relic guns out and went home with them with or without a notice to the police.

But you can deactivate them without any problems (depending on the condition, for example)? You just come and say: "Hey! I've just found a relic, can I deactivate and keep it"? How does it work?

Jacek

[SvenWittnebel]

Jacek, You had to hand it to the police and You can try to make an application for a gun- (collector-) license, but as a foreign digger a German license? I would say - No Way!
Beside the weapon, war arms and explosives laws, there are also laws for the regulation of digging on public and private grounds. One is for sure, if you find something on public ground (it's like an archaeological find), it's public property.

[dect]

Hello Sven
No, I was thinking about what a German has to do to make a relic legal. Also I mean searching/digging on private land.

So generally there is no problem with relic condition firearms? How much does it cost?

Regards
Jacek

[Tim G]

Hi guys,

In the UK the overiding principle is that it will not work again.

If you take for instance a bren that has been officially skeletonized as a tuition
model by the military. To own this you wil have to have the appropriate firearms licence OR it will have to be officially deactivated by one of the proof
houses, regardsless of the fact it is so full of holes that it would never fire agian ( unless of course you particularly wanted it to blow up in your face )

The same would apply to weapons in relic condition, the basis being thier is no usable length of barrel and it will not chamber a cartridge. Obvious benifit of this is of course that it will have been checked to ensure it has nothing up the spout as it were. ( a rifle ,SMLE, was found in a horrible condition in the sea off dunkirk and handed over to the small arms wing in the brit army, the rounds in the rifle were checked at a lab and the cordite was judged to be as good as the day the rounds were filled, so be warned.......time does not always make these things safe. If you like digging around in ww1 or ww2 battlefields good luck to you, but as an ex RE i would not actually reccomend it as a past time.
Try it once the odds are long, the more you do it the odds shorten and you will meet mike the friendly mine with the long memory.................)

The proof house may not stamp it as they may classify it as scrap, if so it will be tagged as such and you should keep it as proof that the item was presented for checking.

The last caveat is weapons that are considered obsolete calibre. These do not have a requirement for deacting.

Hope this helps a bit .........and please fella's...............stop digging holes ......... its not worth it and some poor bugger has to puke his heart up
clearing the bits away.

tim

[dect]

Poland - according to the law, there is no such thing as "ground found weapon" here in Poland and there is no legal way to have one. Metal detecting is almost forbidden (but no one cares about it) and everything that you find in the ground belongs to the government (again, no one cares). When you find anything that you think that might be a weapon you have to report it to the Police - and explain with details how and where did you find it - once again - no one cares.

so:

there is no way to make a relic weapon legal here because to deactivate a gun you have to show a weapon licence and also you HAVE to explain who was its previous owner - and this might be slightly troublesome after 60+ years that gun had spent in the ground :-/

so:

when diggers find weapons most of them keep them and take care of them as best as they can, trying to preserve some history - which is (possession) highly illegal. Despite that 99% of these finds are in such condition that it won't be possible to ever use it as a weapon most of them deactivate them at homes.

Foreign (German, Czech, etc) certificates are not accepted in Poland but again - no one cares. People buy deactivated guns (dug ups or new ones) in Germany or Czech (where the law is much less strict), bring them to Poland (smuggling through the "border") - and put them on the wall. When they get caught its better to have ANY deactivation certificate than nothing - than MAYBE the judge will let you to keep them.

Ufff... I hope I wrote it clear enough

Regards
Jacek

[Joe N]

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