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    #16
    m1

    Yah WOW it doesnt have the Korean war era bayonet lug it NICE WW2 gun its a good thing you dont live in baltimore md them DEMS would take it from ya...LOL
    Last edited by herbert38; 03-19-2007, 02:56 PM.

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      #17
      Your carbine is a typical post war alteration as used by the Martial Law era German authorities when the allies, the US in particular were arming the remaining German forces to run the railroads, border police etc. Remember Patton using Nazis to keep the infastructure running? They armed the Germans and the firearms, mostly 1911A1 pistols and M1 Carbines were used by the many institutions after the war, they included the Austrian Rail roads, the Bavarian Rural Police, etc.

      The United States, as one of the Occupying Powers in Germany, was responsible for providing community policing in the U.S. Zone. As the United States had no intention of either remaining as an Occupation force in Germany any longer than necessary, or in becoming involved in the day-to-day government of the community, local police forces were established to asume standard policing duties ranging from traffic control to criminal investigation to forestry protection. One of the most extensive of these police forces was the Bavarian Rural Police. Bavaria is one of the largest German states and included extensive forested and mountainous regions. The U.S. Army made M1 Carbines available to these local police units, many of which remained in service for more than ten years.

      Many can be identified by the stampings, "BAVARIAN RURAL POLICE", "BAVARIAN FORESTRY SERVICE", "BAVARIAN BORDER POLICE" and "BAVARIAN STATE POLICE" on the receiver, and also have the serial number (last 4 or 5 digits) engraved, penciled, or stamped on the bolt, stock and sometimes the trigger group.

      Now, some of these Carbines were reworked by the German firm, ERMA Werke...whereby they milled off the rear sight dovetail and installed a brazed on 'V' notch rear sight on the receiver ring. This is exactly what you have. Your rifle was released by by the Germans probably in the late 1950's, early 1960's and bought by commercial firms for sale in the US and Canada.
      Last edited by jdbwoodsman; 03-19-2007, 08:28 AM.

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        #18
        Originally posted by jdbwoodsman View Post
        Now, some of these Carbines were reworked by the German firm, ERMA Werke...whereby they milled off the rear sight dovetail and installed a brazed on 'V' notch rear sight on the receiver ring. This is exactly what you have. Your rifle was released by by the Germans probably in the late 1950's, early 1960's and bought by commercial firms for sale in the US and Canada.
        Beat me to it
        WAF LIFE COACH

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          #19
          Not a Bubba Job

          Originally posted by mjb View Post
          Hi, usually the rear sight is on the rear of the receiver, above where yours is marked inland on the serrated area, could you post a pic of this area? both the early and late type sights were here. Looks like "bubba" might have got a hold of yours andf came up with his own sight arrangement. regards, mjb
          Your carbine is one sold by the US Govt to the Bavarian Police during the occupation of Germany after WWII. They frequently removed the rear sight and put the sight you have on the forward reciever ring. The original sight was in a dovetail sight on the rear of the reciever. That would have been a flip sight or late a milled adjustable sight depending on when it went to an arsenal to be upgraded.

          Since the rear reciever is milled off and invariably all the parts are serial numbered like germans liked to do your rifle is but a shooter. I do wish that stock didn't have the scripted B "Bavarian Police" on the bottom. Without it that would be a nice highwood stock.

          Bob

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            #20
            carbine

            ok , not "bubba", maybe "Hans" then ?

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              #21
              Some collect these

              While it may be a "shooter" to some, there are carbine guys who collect specifically these weapons. There are some variations of these rifles that make them quite interesting. Interesting use of U.S.G.I. material by the post war European governments.... If you ever wondered where all those carbines went, here is part of the answer.

              r
              The probability of being watched is directly proportional to the stupidity of your act.

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                #22
                Good Article

                I knew that I had seen some excellent info on this carbine variation. I finally found it. Here is a site with a lot of the history/info on your rifle!!

                http://www.bavarianm1carbines.com/

                r
                The probability of being watched is directly proportional to the stupidity of your act.

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                  #23
                  Concerned collectors

                  Greetings Ronnie:"Thank you"(and others) for your obvious concern to help catagorize an historical weapon. There are genuine collectors, yourself included who actually benefit this forum, and also obvious others who need the attention of seeing their names and "ramblings on".That is a great site you posted that HELPS not only me but others identify their weapons. All the best.
                  Sincere Regards
                  Zeke

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