Ppk Ss Holster??

[Ben]

Hi all,

I am in the position to acquire this holster and it is somewhat of an enigma to me. I have looked through the books that are available to me (Whittington III) but was unable to find any relevant info on this holster.

As you can see it is a mint black small pistol holster, I don't know if it is for use with the PPK, HSC or Sauer, etc..

It is marked with;

PIVECKA
SS 42
Eagle/WaA 170

Inside the holster there is an inkstamp with the #538 or 598

It comes with another brown PPK holster (LPBy WaA103) and a nice matching wartime PPK.

Any help or info as to what it is and/or value would truly be appreciated.

Thanks in advance for any help!

Cheers,

Ben

[Ben]

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The threads are in reality a little bit more yellow. Sorry for the poor pictures.

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[Matt Weber]

Your holster appears to be for a Sauer 38H. What are the dimensions of the holster (top to bottom and side to side)? This will help determine what pistol belongs inside it.

The holster appears to be good. However, the markings on it are very perplexing. I haven't seen this maker name before, and have looked through all my references, and can't find it. I have seen the "WaA170" though on holsters. It was on a holster marked "bcb 42". This code is for Otto Graf, of Leipzig. I'm not sure what this name means, nor am I sure about the "SS" runes markings.

Does anyone else know anything about these markings. Where is Joe? He might know! Hey, I'm a poet, and didn't even know it!

Matt

[Ben]

Hello Matt,

thank you for your reply.

The black holster measures little over 7 inch in length and a little over 5 inch in width. The brown holster seems a little bit bigger.
I have attached a picture of all three items. They belong to a former WWII resistance man and he wants to sell them.

Again, thanks for any response!

Cheers,

Ben

[Ben]

Stamp on the brown holster.

[Matt Weber]

If its' over 7 inches in length, then that would indicate a larger small SLP. Just by looking at them and comparing them to my holsters. The brown one looks almost identical to my HSc holster that I have. The black one looks just like a late war Sauer 38h holster that I have. Have you tried to fit a Sauer or HSc into either of these. If you haven't then give it a try, and I think they will fit nicely.
The markings are still puzzling me, but both holster do appear genuine, and in very nice shape!

Matt

[Ben]

Hi Matt,

once again thanks!

The PPK pictured fits into the black SS holster like a glove, it is just a little over 7inch (about 2/10 of an inch).
The brown holster is actually a little bit too large (loose fit) for the PPK but the HSC fits very well. The man used to have another scp but he doesn't know where it is now nor what make it was. I have no real concerns as far as originality is concerned as the man has kept these items since the war, he is not a collector/dealer or otherwise. It is just that I personally have never seen a holster like this (with the SS markings that is) and therefore don't even have a clue as to what it's worth. I do however want to give the vet a fair prise for these items and not rip him off.

Cheers,

Ben

PS. Unfortunately I don't own a Sauer so really can't try that one.

[GerColctor]

Ben
Be very careful of SS marked equipment. You may be comfortable buying from this vet, but when you go to sell the holster there may be a lot of questions from collectors as to wheather it's authentic.
So much German "stuff" has been counterfitted over the years with SS ruins, that everyone has to careful.
Good luck.
Joe

[AndyB]

Hi members, i am no expert in this area, i collect bayonets and frogs, but i have little suspicions about this pieces, the Pivecka should be a Czech area producer, but no seen any so marked, in 1942, mainly producers were stamped with letter codes, and in early years are SS items stamped with RZM circles and not with WaA170,that was mentioned one or more time as faked on any holsters.When civil producers, should be stamped with location, no seen SS 42 stamp. The leather and thread looks new. The other brown collored holster is police marked - LP Bv? - Landes Polizei B?, but with WaA stamp, that is little large, should be police items stamped with Wehrmacht Abnahme stamps??
Andy from BCN

[Ben]

Dear Joe and Andy,

thank you for your reply.

I understand what you are saying Joe, yes there is a lot of re-marked "SS" items and I thank you for your warning.
I really have no intentions of selling these items so I am not really worried about that.

Andy, to reiterate, these items come from a 81-year old person who was in the underground resistance forces from 1943 till Mai of 1945. These items have been in his possession since the war. This person has absolutely no interest in collecting and/or wartime collectables. Therefore the question (to me anyway) never was or will be if they are original but more as to what they were (which pistol, maker, etc..).

Thank you both for your reply.

Cheers,

Ben

[Willi Z.]

For what it is worth, I have no problem whatsoever with those holsters. That black holster is clearly mint and not a reproduction. And, I like all the stampings, as odd as some seem. There is a limit to how good newly stamped leather items look.

Willi

[AndyB]

Police

Hello, by the brown colored police holster, it could be that the army proofed holster for LW ,that was used later with police units - LPBy -could be Landes Polizei Bayreuth or Bayern?
from article of WaA proofs is WaA
103 bmo Hans Deuter Augsburg
Only a opinion. Andy from BCN