reproducing waffenampts

[pitts duncan]

does anyone know where i can get my reproduction stock stamped with waffenampts and numbers to duplicate the stampings on my original duffle cut bubbarized stock i still have?email me at jasond1011@aol.com or post a reply thanks . i am not out to make a fake but just want repro to be precise down to every detail

[Matt Wilson]

My twenty year-old once made a sage observation,

She said, "You know what the word 'but' means?"

Knowing something was in the wind, I bit, & she shocked me w/her insight. She said, "It means disregard everything BEFORE it."

She was right. "I know I shouldn't stay & have a couple more beers w/the boys, BUT..." "I know I shouldn't be hunting on this posted land, BUT..." "I really shouldn't take my sweet young secretary out to lunch, BUT..." You get the picture.

I'm not trying to bust your chops, or pass judgement. I do think you need to objectively re-read your comment.

i am not out to make a fake but just want repro to be precise down to every detail

A repro which is precise down to every detail IS a fake, whether you desire it or not. Check out the many forums on WAF, & you will see that fakes & forgeries are the bane of the collecting community. There ARE folks who make the stamps of which you speak. IMO they were made w/dishonest intentions. The ONLY people who would be concerned w/duplicating near-microscopic markings of this type are crooks. Absence of WaAs on a re-enactor piece are of no consequence, & they don't effect the operation of the item, so no one has yet been able to convince me that these "reproductions" are necessary or honorable, or even desirable.

While your intentions may be good, you will not be here forever. & when you are no longer the custodian of that altered arm, who then will say what it is or isn't? You are only adding to the collector problem.

Didn't mean for this to sound like a tirade. Sorry if I come on too strong. Perhaps I should just say that this forum might not be the best place to solicit such tools.

Best,
Matt

[P08]

As long as the owner keeps documentation and is completely honest about it, I don't see it as a problem. Keeping the original part is a very good way to show documentation and honesty.

I am currently thinking about something along the same lines. I have a K98k that I might put a new barrel in. Since appearance is important to me I might choose to have reproduced WaA stamps and similar stamps if I could get it. I would then keep the original barrel as proof. Nothing wrong in that I think.

But of course it all depends. There are weapons that in some way are so special that any attempt to change them while still keeping the original appearance would be considered "fake". Even if people are honest about it. (the next owner might not and that is the danger)

Fake in itself isn't a problem. It's the *beep* who try to make money by fooling others with fakes that is the problem.

[kiwicollector]

The only way you could do this with a clear consience is by marking the new stock or barrel with "REPRODUCTION". Plenty of places on the rifle you could do this that are out of sight but apparent on close inspection so that some future buyer isn't conned.

[sellers34]

I do not understand why anyone would put such work and expense into such an endeavor. If it is a mismatch, fine-it is still original. I just feel a bit irritated yet amused when I go to a gun show and some idiot has a 98K with a $900 price tag on it. Oh it is always matching and well marked, but when you take a close look at it you can tell when something has been marked to make it match, the import stamp is still barely visable the stock has been refinished. That is fine as I have many years of experience and I can tell a faked up 98. But what about the individual who may not know the difference? You can re-mark a 98 but as our esteemed collegue stated you will not own it forever. I say leave it be replaced stock or not.

[Carson]

Applause to Matt!

[Steve Flanagan]

Waffenampts

He could be the pope himself but the minute that item leaves his hand it becomes "ORIGINAL" Just like todays really good fakes,,,fifty years from now when most of us are drooling watching the three stooges,,,the fakes will be ORIGINAL!! Very slippery slope

[gew98]

For years there was a jerk out of closet naziland wisconsin that offered his stock WaA service...he no longer is so blatant about his nefarious activities. Another bonehead out of western KY does the same thing and even assembles repop snipers that seem to wind up as attic found originals when they leave his hands.Thankfully the rumor is that slug is moving his operation to colorado to dirty soemone else's waters !.
The whole scenario of fake WaA stamps flooding the market in the past decade and the absolute load of humps using them for profit on those not up on the game to know they are being boinkered won't stop anytime soon. I can't count on my hands how many times guys have brought peices to me to evaluate and I wind up raining on their parade att he fraudulent junk they bought for mucho bucko, and sadly most are so dumbstruck and gullible they believe the fantasy over reality and virtually ignore my advice . I about have given up trying to help these idiots ...they so want to believe for the money the lay out almost no common sense enters their respective thick noggins. And then to get the attitude as for some freak reason your the enemy when you show how well they screwed themselves with their eagerness and deep pockets...what vacuous sods , I won't suffer them again !.
I am not very keen on those whom want to pimp up their goods for whatever reason...it's just bad karma and seemingly lack of common sense , or worse.

[GerColctor]

If someone is able to put the correct stamps on some repo piece and claims that he only wants this new material to "look" good, is either a fool or trying to decieve a future buyer.

There are too many fakes being offered as originial to unsuspecting buyers.
Joe

[Bob Hritz]

Fake waffenamps, fake eagle/C and eagle/K marks, fake serial numbering, fake renumbered commercial P08 sideplates, fake stock stamps have all been around for over 30 years and are still going strong.

I doubt 99% of the sniper rifles, 99% of the single rune, double rune and totenkopf mauser K98ks, 99% of all totenkopf marked Imperial lugers, about 75% of all 1896 Mausers. I doubt these because I have saeen so many fakes and reworked/refinished/renumbered firearms; many owned by big dollar blowhards who have long wallets and short IQs.

Go to any high end gun show and see all the 100% finished WWI US 1911's, lugers, mausers, snipers, and even black powder and early 1st generation colts. WOW, wome collectors just want mint anere are so many who will fill their needs with crap, albeit finely done crap.

As one high end gun dealer told me: "Hell, son, we are dream merchants just giving them what they want and deserve".

Bob Hritz

[MikeW]

You will only make the problem worse, don't do it.

[Carson]

Simple, yet so true, Mike.

[P08]

kiwicollector

Excellent idea! That would be a good way to avoid dishonest people using it as fake later on.

[Glenn Barbaritz]

Pitts, I bet you werent expecting this kind of feedback. of course I only agree 100% with all these Guys. NO. it will only screw future people who have dreams of owning the "real deal". unfortunately for you now, Im sure many people already labled you in a certain way. this is just a bad question to ask in such a forum, really no polite way to put it. one must think about what they ask publicly. Glenn

[sellers34]

Mr. Pitts has just joined our community on 10/06. He is new and has little experience with this site. Mr. Pitts, no offence intended but most of these folks take their collecting very serious, I am convinced that some would rather exchange knuckles first and than talk about a fake. Once again I say let the rifle be, or mark it "reproduction" that should satisfy the collecting community. This is a great and invaluable web site to learn and gain knowledge so use it wisely as some of these guys will go completely out of their way to help you......as long as the F word is never used.