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    My neighbor was cleaning out his garage & found this old rusted rifle barrel. He said his dad found it laying on the ground here in NC. Back in the 60's. It's stamped BSW. Berlin Suhler Waffen . What type of rifle was this ? "It's junk " but he was wondering what it was. Joe
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    Looks like a bSw boys or youth rifle. Single shot .22 LR. If it is like mine, yiu have what in effect is a berreled receiver.

    Here is mine:




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      #3
      BSW was also a manufacturer of the DSM34 and the KKW as a contractor.

      Nice guns when found in nice shape.

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        #4
        What you actually have is a Mod. W625 - W625A - W625B - W625C or W625Z. I can't tell from the picture which yours is. This was a military type training rifle made by Berlin Suhler Waffen in the models mentioned. These are earlier (Weimar & early 3rd Reich) rifles that were later replaced with the DSM-34 and KKW. All of the models were .22 caliber with the exception of the W625Z which was 4mm. From a collector standpoint, these are harder to find than the later DSM's & KKW's.
        Hope this helps.

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          #5
          Thanks Guys ! It's a shame the rifle didn't survive. All's left is a rusted & pitted barrel.

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            #6
            Originally posted by dag001
            What you actually have is a Mod. W625 - W625A - W625B - W625C or W625Z. I can't tell from the picture which yours is. This was a military type training rifle made by Berlin Suhler Waffen in the models mentioned. These are earlier (Weimar & early 3rd Reich) rifles that were later replaced with the DSM-34 and KKW. All of the models were .22 caliber with the exception of the W625Z which was 4mm. From a collector standpoint, these are harder to find than the later DSM's & KKW's.
            Hope this helps.
            I was under the impression that the series of 625's were pre-war Simpson guns and not contract guns, am I mistaken?.

            Actually there are so many of these little trainers floating around I even forget, but I am impressed if that barrel can be called as it sits.

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              #7
              Originally posted by Vid
              I was under the impression that the series of 625's were pre-war Simpson guns and not contract guns, am I mistaken?.

              Actually there are so many of these little trainers floating around I even forget, but I am impressed if that barrel can be called as it sits.
              You are correct Vid. You will also see these with the Simpson trademark. Sometime in the 30's, Simpson became BSW. I don't recall the details, but think it took place when the Jewish owners of Simpson were pushed out by the Nazis.

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                #8
                Ahhh!

                Yes, that would make sense and did not remember that to be honest, guess I could use some refreshing. Either way some really great rifles if you can find them, the 625's are actually priced a lot less than the others.

                Thanks,

                V

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                  #9
                  My bad, I thought I was looking at something else when I first looked at that picture. I can now see the difference in the makings and the lip of the receiver ring.

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                    #10
                    337,
                    Given the condition of this example, I can certainly understand how you mis-identified it. I can barely make out the "Mod." and the "W". The rest was just a guess on my part.

                    Vid,
                    I honestly haven't noticed "W625" prices being that much lower than the DSM's or KKW's - although the KKW's are quite popular inasmuch as many collectors want a K-98k look-alike. The W625's are scarcer (especially the W625Z) and I love that BSW quality.
                    German training rifles, IMO, are a fertile collecting area that seems to have been overlooked by many. Given all of the different variations, manufacturers, unit markings, etc. I know a collector who has something like 800 German training rifles in his collection.

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                      #11
                      Denny,

                      If you open yourself up to the variations, makers and dates that are many of these and they are of very high quality regardless of maker, of course the Mausers are incredible. Many collectors focus on the DSM and the KKW and dont pay any mind to the others.

                      So for instance, a standard Simpson 625 can be had for 600-650 yet its counterpart in a military configuration or attribution will run higher, its just the way it is. I think I know the collection or have heard of it and it would be comprehensive for sure. It is hard to imagine when looking some of these over, how they managed to turn a profit selling them. I am sure im not telling you anything you dont know but people just walk right by them in many cases.

                      Thank you and enyoy...

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                        #12
                        I was wondering if anybody could tell me about the value of a BSW w625c that I have. It has the SA gruppe kurpfalz stamp on the stock.....now for the bad part: somebody duffel cut it at the lower band, and of course the rest is missing.
                        thanks

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