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    trade M1 carbine for P38

    My interests are mainly in Wehrmacht firearms. I aquired an M1 Carbine dated 1943 several years ago. It is marked "UNDERWOOD" on the barrel, and has no bayonet lug. I have been given a chance to trade it for a CYQ P38 (I have one already), which has no import marks and has original blueing. Bearing in mind I am in Canada (both considered restricted firearms here, value is likely less than in the US), does this sound like a good trade? I love the P38s, athough I know CYQ is a common one. I know nothing of the carbine, what would you do? Thanks all!

    #2
    KEEP THE CARBINE
    WAF LIFE COACH

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      #3
      Well, I guess I'm a little biased, since I love the P38, and really hate the M1 carbine.
      However, my advise to you would be choose whatever gun YOU like the best!
      Also look at the trade closely. Does the P38 come with a holster and spare mag? If so, then an even trade would probably be worth it.
      If it is just the gun alone (I don't know the condition of either of these guns so I'm just guessing here?), then I would try to get some $ along with it.

      Matt

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        #4
        if the carbine is correct and original it is worth more than the (underappreciated) cyq p-38. Underwood is a desireable maker.

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          #5
          Curiosity...

          Hi Matt,

          I´m a very curious man, so I couldn´t avoid to ask you why do you hate the M1 Carbine.

          Personally I like its design, weight and history (projected by a guy while he was serving time in a Fed Prision). But I´m aware about the lack of stopping power of the .30M1. By the way: is this the reason?

          Regards,

          Douglas.

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            #6
            A collector grade carbine is worth more than the P38. THe basic things to check is whether the barrel and receiver has the same manufacturer, what cartouches the stock had. A real collector grade has all parts by the same manufacturer, but I am not anal enough to check every part for the right manufacturer code. Early features like peep sight, no bayonet lug, and push button safety also add value. I like the M1 carbine and have had several but currently just have 1 winchester. I also found a great pic on GD a while back of a german soldier carrying a carbine in combat. Very fun gun
            Brian

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              #7
              Douglas,

              Yes the main reasons why I don't like the M1carbine is it's round.
              At long ranges it can't match a rifle (like the M1 Garand) for accuracy and range, and at short ranges it doesn't have the stopping power of a pistol (like the 1911a1).

              My uncle Joe carried one during the Korean War, and he hated it! He told me once that he shot a N. Korean soldier 5 times at about 15 yards, and it didn't stop him!
              Luckily his buddy next to him had a 1911, and shot him once, which dropped him in his tracks!

              I also heard a story from a WWII vet who had an M1 carbine. He got out of a truck once, and slammed the door. His M1 carbine barrel was still inside. The door bent the barrel on his carbine!
              Thats' not really good quality if you ask me!

              I guess my uncles' and this vets' opinions have rubbed off a bit on me. It is not a bad designed gun at all, but that round is just too small and whipy for me.

              I must re-idderate that this is just my opinion! I know that these carbines are collectable, and highly valuable now. I have shot several, and they are fun to shoot. I just don't really care much for them. I would much rather have a M1 Garand or a 1911a1. So please don't badger me for not liking this gun. There are several guns out thier that I don't really care for.

              Matt

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                #8
                Thanks to all for replying. Just what I've learned on the topic in the last few days! I took a closer look at the carbine, sorry for the poor quality pics. The barrel is definitely Underwood, the little accessories tool is stamped IS, the trigger guard has a stamp on it also, as the pic shows. Is this mismatched? Value? Based on what's you see, is it worht holding on to? Thanks!http://www3.telus.net/joedini/carbine%20001.jpg

                Sorry it had a K98 sling I removed.

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                  #9
                  Is there any markings on the stock or in the slingwell? I think most underwood parts are maked with a U or combination of U and something. It looks like a nice carbine. It has the early features of push button safety and no bayonet lug. If you want to check all the parts, get a copy of Warbaby. THe IS mark on the oiler is for iNland, a division of General motors. It looks like a nice carbine.
                  Brian.

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                    #10
                    Hi Brian, thanks for the email. It's pretty evident you also know your firearms (unlike myself). In the slingwell I notice there is a UU or a W stamped into the wood. It has the pushbutton safety and the adjustable rear peep sights. The smaller magazine is also marked IS and the larger one is marked M2. Sadly in the years I have had this I have never fired it, I do understand they are fun to shoot though. BTW, I feel foolish to mention, but at the opening to the slingwell, when I first got this carbine, I saw there was a small name on paper taped onto the stock. It was marked LT. (sorry, can't remember the name). In the struggle to get the Mauser sling off I removed the taped name!

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                      #11
                      Opinions about the M1 carbine

                      Hi Matt,

                      Sorry if I was rough in my last post. I don´t want to badger you or anyone just because you don´t like some kind of gun. We all are here to learn, help as well hear different opinions. That´s why it is called a Forum.

                      And, personally, I´d love to see how helpful you and many other have been since this specific forum started. even when I have the pleasure to talk with a "P38 expert" . Easy, I´m just kidding

                      As I told you, I´m just a curious guy, and I´d like to hear your opinions about the Carbine. As a effective combat gun, the stories that you wrote above are quite illustrative of the lack of power of this gun.

                      Regards,

                      Douglas

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                        #12
                        No problem Douglas,
                        I didn't mean to snap back at you at all. I know that you are one of the good guys here!
                        I just didn't want to be badgered by some of the others (obviously you read the other thread, thanks for the humor! )

                        I just don't really care for the carbine. If I wanted a smaller or light weight gun to have in combat, then I would rather have a Thompson or MP40!

                        Matt

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                          #13
                          hi there everyone! i'm new but i'd like to toss in my 2 cents...i am a jeff cooper disciple so i never cared much for the carbine. over the last 10 years i have changed my opinion. the .30 carb. round is ballistically superior to the .357mag and the 9mm. i've never understood why "experts" think it's okay to shoot an enemy combatant 10 times with a 9mm SMG but not with a .30 carbine. now, i've talked to vets at my american legion post and vfw post and they either love it or hate it. in the modern world, loaded with hollow point ammo it should perform quite well. i read somewhere that jim cirillo used the carbine in the NYPD loaded with HP ammo and said they "never had to shoot anyone twice." don't get me wrong, i'd prefer an m1911a1 , but i'd rather have the carbine than any 9mm SMG. BTW, matt, i have a friend who collects P38's and he has a numbers matching magazine AC42 in the low 2xxx "C" range. some sources say they stop in the 2000 "B". hope that's useful somehow. ya'll have a great site with a lot of smart and polite members!

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                            #14
                            I am not thoroughly familiar with which parts would be correct on an Underwood Carbine, so I am sure that others here would better help you on this. as with other U.S. military smallarms of the period, none of the parts were serial numbered to the piece like the Germans did. it is very difficult to tell if the weapon left the factory with all of the parts it currently has. matching wear, patina, and finish patterns of the parts can be a better clue here. I have owned 3 carbines, and still have one, a Winchester made early in 1943 (by the serial number). you could get a lot more information on Culver's shooting pages : link
                            when I said underappreciated about Spreewerke, let me clarify that: Spreewerke is the least common of the 3 makers of the P-38, but they do not have the collector appeal of the Mauser or Walther made pieces. (similar to the collector appeal of the Winchester name on U.S. WW2 smallarms.)

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                              #15
                              Also, the carbine has a very strong following, and is a very collectible arm. I think (please correct my figures, I don't have the exact data infront of me so I am drawing from a faded memory!) P-38 production is around 1.4 million pieces, compared to about 6 million?? of the M1 carbine.

                              the Germans were very impressed with the M1 carbine. I have 2 images on my website of SS troops with captured M1 carbines. I have yet to find an image of a German troop utilizing a Garand.

                              any caliber weapon can be defeated by range. I read a story of a Korean War vet who was shot at (the distance I cannot recall) by a Chinese soldier who had picked up an M1 Thompson smg. at the range, the bullets skipped to him and merely bounced off of his shins without penetrating his trousers. a man next to him fired on the chinese soldier with a Garand, killing him.

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