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**Adrian Stevenson** · 01-15-2003, 07:42 AM

Hi Santiago, personally, I would wait and buy a complete example. They are not that rare. (I have seen complete, but post war ones for sale at $12.) A quick look on the 'net and I have found some for sale for you. I have not dealt with these people so I can't vouch for them.
http://www.landser.com/k98gear.
http://home.iae.nl/users/meegoo/ruil9.htm
Hope this helps you?
Cheers, Ade.

**Brian S** · 01-15-2003, 04:18 PM

Here's mine, have no idea what it's worth, but I don't have the weapon...

It is nicely waffen amt marked, and marked arr43 on the bottom. Amt mark reads, "WaA5"

I think the one on the website mentioned above is missing a couple of wad holders.

**JaimeH** · 01-15-2003, 04:24 PM

I have seen them go for 35 to 40 bucks.

**Brian S** · 01-15-2003, 04:32 PM

I'd include a dirty bore cleaner for nothing...

**Brian M** · 01-16-2003, 12:59 AM

the tin is worth $5-10 empty. the brushes can be had for a few dollars. $10-12 for the empty kit with one brush is about what it is worth. a complete kit is $35-200 depending on the year/ code and type. '44 and '45 dated kits are hard to find, and the kkw .22 kits are worth a large sum. I had a nice G.Appel .22 kit I sold last year for about $200.

I have a much nicer kit for sale if you want one. it is in really nice condition. Heer Green tobacco tin. marked KY 1937 and waffenampted. it has both brushes, the pull through chain, and the steel oiler marked ky 1938. asking $40 shipped for it.
Brian

**Brian S** · 01-16-2003, 09:40 AM

Nice tin. Notice how with mine they went with a differnt paint a few years later. A person could collect even these as their seem to be a few distinct variations.

**Brian M** · 01-16-2003, 05:04 PM

yes, there are several variations the one I have is the Greenish phosphate wash. there is also a green o.d. paint variety, a grey paint variety, a bluish grey variety, and even some were painted Afrika corps tan. I have also seen black cans as well. I know some people who collect the cleaning kits. there are many makers and you can see in just these two kits some of the differences. early kits will have brass closers, aluminum pull through chains, horse hair brushes, and milled steel oilers. if you get real lucky it will still have the steel floorplate disassembly spoon. I think this was omitted on many kits. later on the pull throughs were steel, the oilers bakelite and the brushes plastic. very late the pull through was made of braded steel wire, and some of the oilers were a stamped and welded steel tube. I would like to have one of these oilers, or a 1945 dated rg34 with one in it. they are hard to find.

**Santiago** · 01-17-2003, 02:35 AM

Hello,
Thank you all, for your comments, and for your photos too!!.
As i could see now, i really don´t buy it.

Thanks again,
Regards,

**Matt Weber** · 01-18-2003, 03:14 PM

this one looks pretty beat up. I would wait, and buy a complete one in better shape for around $40. These are easy to find. Just about any WWII gun dealer will have some. There are tons of them on "ecrap" as well.

Matt

**Sirius9024** · 01-21-2003, 01:08 AM

.22 KKW cleaning kit

Brian,
I have several 22 cal cleaning chains and brushes. I have never seen a 22 cal kit, is it the same size as the regular kits, but with the .22 cal gear in it or are the kits different?
These can be full to collect, because there are tons out there and they are still inexpensive, but the 1945 dated ones and afrika painted ones command the highest value.
What's your take on a bakelite can? Seen a few in the past couple of weeks on eban and was wondering if they were right or not. Never seen before.
Thanks,
Brian

**Brian M** · 01-21-2003, 05:17 PM

Hi Brian, all of the .22 kits are in standard tins. however the only legitimate .22 tins I have seen are marked G.Appel have no proof marks and are undated. they are also the greenish phosphate instead of paint, and have the pre-war brass closers.
I have seen these tins with regular 98k stuff in them as well. the kits are identical, except that the .22 kits will have .22 cal bore, chamber brushes and pull through chain. they use the standard oiler. I don't recall that they have a takedown tool. I don't think they should.
as far as bakelite, I'm not certain as to what item you are referring... bakelite oilers are correct from about the 1941-43 period and onward. I have never seen a bakelite cleaning tin, if that is what you mean.... If you meant bakelite Zf4 cans, they are real, and extremely rare. I'd expect to see a real bakelite zf4 can sell at $2000+
Bri

**Sirius9024** · 01-21-2003, 05:21 PM

Bakelite cleaning tins

Brian,
I have seen three of these so called bakelite cleaning kits on ebay in the last two months. I dont recall off hand the item numbers, but two were sold from the US and one out of Germany. I have never seen or even heard of a bakelite ZF-4 can. I'd love to see a photo of one of those puupies.
Brian

**Brian S** · 01-21-2003, 05:24 PM

I'm sure it's entirely legitimate, but bakelite just seems like an odd material for something that gets roughed up in a backpack. Unless it's for the .22 which would more than likely be for training?

**Johannes Schoen** · 03-18-2003, 05:48 PM

Hello Brian,

I have had several sets in my hands now, looking for a set with the same maker on all parts. Therefore I am now a bit familiar with these things and have 9 sets in front of me with more to come. But I only have seen tins with the early gray paint (except the Ky only full names with dates to 1939) and with the later dark green paint (always codes 1940s dates).

Could You be so kind and post a picture which shows or even compares the phosphate colour to the grey or green colour?

Thanks in advance

Johannes

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