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**gew98** · 11-13-2005, 05:08 PM

Neither one is "rare". It's all about ORIGINAL condition and how matching, or not. A real nice bolt mismatch standard '39 dated 98K will be less valuable than a matching like condition 43 dated 98k.
I hear too much use of "rare" in descriptions anymore for fairly to very common items.

**Jacob Andreasen** · 11-14-2005, 01:33 AM

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**rogerbh** · 11-14-2005, 01:44 AM

Using Backbone of the Wehrmacht (3rd edition) as a reference, ERMA (27) in 1939 produced 135,709 based on SN extensions and Waffen Werke Brunn AG (with the .. over the u) (dot) in 1943 made 219,843 based on SN extensions.

**werner** · 11-14-2005, 01:46 AM

Hi,

Dot 43 : 219843

Erma 27 1939 : 135709

Cheers Werner

**Joe N** · 11-14-2005, 09:43 AM

I believe earlier k98s are generally more difficul to find .

**Jacob Andreasen** · 11-14-2005, 10:48 AM

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**sszza2** · 11-17-2005, 10:35 AM

I would be rather suspicious of drawing conclusions from some 'BBOTW' serial extension information. However, even if you accept the figures given in this scenario, you must also factor in the rate of attrition on earlier vs. later rifles. That more were made of a particular year/code does not necessarily equate to more surviving. Personally I would take the Erma 27-39 every time over the dot43.

Scott B

**bodes** · 11-17-2005, 02:38 PM

Originally posted by sszza2

I would be rather suspicious of drawing conclusions from some 'BBOTW' serial extension information. However, even if you accept the figures given in this scenario, you must also factor in the rate of attrition on earlier vs. later rifles. That more were made of a particular year/code does not necessarily equate to more surviving. Personally I would take the Erma 27-39 every time over the dot43.

Scott B

I agree with Scott.....Earlier rifles had the tendancy to have a smaller survival rate as opposed to the latter war stuff.....More earlier rifles were lost to Germany in Russia and other territories they retreated from.....I would rather have the Erma '39 over the 'dot 43 any day.....Bodes

**dag001** · 11-18-2005, 01:06 PM

Scott knows of what he speaks. Go with the Erma!

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