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    #16
    Hello,

    100% orginalKM Marking!

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      #17
      Sad to read that yes believe that this stamp was made yesterday.I have collected KM Holster for almost 40 years and this stamp is 100% correct.The holster is Model for Mauser 1934!

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        #18
        The following link shares different opinions from members on the authenticity of this mark.

        https://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/for...-estand-buckle

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          #19
          Originally posted by marine View Post
          Sad to read that yes believe that this stamp was made yesterday.I have collected KM Holster for almost 40 years and this stamp is 100% correct.The holster is Model for Mauser 1934!
          Marine, I meant that the mark does not appear to be the same age as the leather on the holster when I said it looks like it was made yesterday. It was not meant to be a literal statement. The mark looks too new compared to the age of the holster. Yes, the holster is for a Mauser 1934 but Chahler stated that it was for a Walther PP (before the photos were posted.) That's why I stated that no PP's or PP holsters were issued to the Kriegsmarine. Some Mauser 1934 pistols and holsters were marked for the Kriegsmarine but not with the mark that is on that holster. They all were marked with the Eagle/swastika over M. If you have a holster and/or pistol that shows that same mark "swastika over M in circles" would you please post it. I have never seen either with that mark. Provenance as to the authenticity of the mark would also help.
          Thanks.
          Last edited by ed flisak; 06-27-2020, 09:28 PM.

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            #20
            Originally posted by ed flisak View Post

            Marine, I meant that the mark does not appear to be the same age as the leather on the holster when I said it looks like it was made yesterday. It was not meant to be a literal statement. The mark looks too new compared to the age of the holster. Yes, the holster is for a Mauser 1934 but Chahler stated that it was for a Walther PP (before the photos were posted.) That's why I stated that no PP's or PP holsters were issued to the Kriegsmarine. Some Mauser 1934 pistols and holsters were marked for the Kriegsmarine but not with the mark that is on that holster. They all were marked with the Eagle/swastika over M. If you have a holster and/or pistol that shows that same mark "swastika over M in circles" would you please post it. I have never seen either with that mark. Provenance as to the authenticity of the mark would also help.
            Thanks.
            Hi,
            I have great respect for other people's opinions and competence. I can see that this stamping is new but all these are very sharp designed on Holster. I do not have an account so I can post a picture but this marking is on Mausertasker, float vest....

            Cheers,Morten.

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              #21
              Originally posted by ed flisak View Post

              Marine, I meant that the mark does not appear to be the same age as the leather on the holster when I said it looks like it was made yesterday. It was not meant to be a literal statement. The mark looks too new compared to the age of the holster. Yes, the holster is for a Mauser 1934 but Chahler stated that it was for a Walther PP (before the photos were posted.) That's why I stated that no PP's or PP holsters were issued to the Kriegsmarine. Some Mauser 1934 pistols and holsters were marked for the Kriegsmarine but not with the mark that is on that holster. They all were marked with the Eagle/swastika over M. If you have a holster and/or pistol that shows that same mark "swastika over M in circles" would you please post it. I have never seen either with that mark. Provenance as to the authenticity of the mark would also help.
              Thanks.
              Hi,
              Look at www.legacy-collectibles.com where you will often find KM holster with this stamp.Look at Holster book by Stephane Cailleau

              Cheers,Morten.

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                #22
                Originally posted by marine View Post

                Hi,
                Look at www.legacy-collectibles.com where you will often find KM holster with this stamp.Look at Holster book by Stephane Cailleau

                Cheers,Morten.
                Norway is an Eldorado for collectors as things are constantly emerging from ww2.Here are incredible quantities of different holsters for German Pistols. Many collectors I know have such holsters with the same markings. Some collectors have collected from 1946 and have seen these

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                  #23
                  Hello,
                  as a slightly different example was that we had a discussion about lanyard for P38 with author of Axis Pistols. We found many of these in Norwaymen were told that these were not real but I found a picture in Signal showing a Panser man with P38 with one

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                    #24
                    Hello,
                    Look at early production on German pistol holsters where the markings are very sharp and clear. During the war you can see that the stamps are much more blurred but this is either due to the sloppy or the ones they were stamped with were worn

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                      #25
                      Hello,
                      I have found KM Holster for Pistol 7.65mm stamped Mordhorst Kiel for the last 2 years. These holsters I did not show existed.KM Holster with KM ink stamp under the flap also existed!

                      Cheers,Morten.

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                        #26
                        Originally posted by marine View Post
                        Hello,
                        Look at early production on German pistol holsters where the markings are very sharp and clear. During the war you can see that the stamps are much more blurred but this is either due to the sloppy or the ones they were stamped with were worn
                        So the markings on the casings became much worse throughout the war and there was little leather to make so other types had to be used in production

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                          #27
                          I can accept that the clarity, depth and quality of the mark can vary over the years but I am asking if anyone can post a photo of a Kriegsmarine holster with the Swastika over M stamp. No one has posted a photo of a holster with this mark except for Chaler whose holster mark is in question on this thread. It is the authenticity of this mark on Kriegsmarine holsters that I am questioning.

                          Morten thanks for your reply and the reference to Legacy Collectibles. I am on the Legacy Collectibles site almost daily and have done business with Mr. Tom Whiteman over the years. I highly recommend Legacy Collectibles and Mr. Tom Whiteman. He's a straight shooter and great to do business with. I went through the recently sold guns section this morning on Legacy and found a few Kriegsmarine marked pistols and holster. The pistols and holsters have the eagle/swastika over M stamp. I also checked another large dealer site and found the same stamps; eagle/swastika over M or Eagle over M stamps. I did not see the Swastika over M in circles stamp on either site.

                          https://www.legacy-collectibles.com/...r-rig-626.html

                          https://www.legacy-collectibles.com/recently-sold-items/kriegsmarine-mauser-m1934-pistol-
                          11960.html

                          I went through Dr. Stephane Cailleau's book from front to back and found only the Kriegsmarine stamps; Eagle/swastika over M, Eagle over M and M over pic of anchor. Pages 183 187, 216, 228, 357, 379 and 398. I have not been able to find the swastikas over M in circles mark.

                          If someone could post a photo of a holster with this mark I would appreciate it.

                          Thanks,
                          Ed


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                            #28
                            Hello,

                            As shown in entries 1 and 12, the stamp is shown and several pictures are unnecessary. I do not like any kind of quarrel or disagreement but all KM collectors here in Norway have such a holster with this marking!

                            Cheers,Morten.

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                              #29
                              Originally posted by marine View Post
                              Hello,

                              As shown in entries 1 and 12, the stamp is shown and several pictures are unnecessary. I do not like any kind of quarrel or disagreement but all KM collectors here in Norway have such a holster with this marking!

                              Cheers,Morten.
                              We in Norway who have KM Holster with this marking are sure this is real. The reason for this is that these holsters come from depots Kriegsmarine had in Norway

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                                #30
                                Hello,

                                I am happy that I have had the opportunity to comment on this Thread. I have finished my comments and now conclude with further comments!

                                Best from Norway,Morten.

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