FG42 in Iraq

[sigismund]

the FG42 is the Grandfather of the M-60, so i have heard.

dont you mean the mg42?


its funny how many nations still use the mg3, just coems to show how great a firearm it really is.

[Justen_Wilson]

dont you mean the mg42?


its funny how many nations still use the mg3, just coems to show how great a firearm it really is.

no sir, i mean the FG-42, its the grandfather of the M60. look at them and compare, a lot alike.

[Justen_Wilson]

dont you mean the mg42?


its funny how many nations still use the mg3, just coems to show how great a firearm it really is.

yea, but so is the M2 Browing .50 cal.
1927-A1 is still used by our Sheriffs here in Andrews.
M2 Carbine is used for a Dep.

[petermac]

The 'other' rifle is definitely an Enfield No4 but as the outward variations between models are very slight it's not possible to say whether it's a MkI or a MkII. What is significant is that the rifle is COCKED. The cocking piece is to the rear and is only held by the sear engaging with the bent. Not a safe position to be in.

The Iraqis obtained a lot of Enfield No4s on the surplus market in the 1950s together with their spike bayonets, they made their own webbing frogs which are rather scarce. I'm still looking for an example.

It must be very difficult to be aware of all the technical foibles of captured equipment, especially when they come from so many different countries. I hope there are not too many accidents.

Peter

[gew98]

no sir, i mean the FG-42, its the grandfather of the M60. look at them and compare, a lot alike.

While the M60 borrowed the feed cover arrangement from the MG42 , the bolt 'gas arrangement was borrowed form the Lewis Gun. As well it's the same arrangement the germans borrowed for the FG 42. It was not the best design for a sustained fire weapon like the M60 for sure !. As for th e FG42...the 20 round possible burst likely never allowed wear to be significant enough to cause the same glitches , but at the same token the FG42 was not designed for longevity , much like the K/G43 clunkers.

[Stottman]

When I was in Kosovo with the US Army in 2000, we had an FG-42 in the captured weapons locker..Got to shoot it a few times, though all we had to use was crappy Yugoslavian wood bulleted ammo.

Allot of neat stuff floating around in that area. MP-44 types are fairly common, US stuff can still be found new in the crate, not to mention the Yugo made MG-42 clones.

[Sigurd Helge]

Have you got any pictures of any vintage German weaponry from your Kosovo tour?

[iron cross 2]

can u repost the pic cos i cant see it

thanks

[Rylan]

can u repost the pic cos i cant see it

thanks

This thread is kind of old... You are about 3 years too late

[paddywhack]

yeah can anyone repost the original pics!!

[bobofthedesert]

That would make the SIG AMT/PE-57 series the father?

Seriously, the MG42 is more often given as a design influence on the M60, the feed mechanism is pretty much a direct copy. The MG42 was copied by the US in 30-06 during/after the war, but some of the blueprints dimensional scaling relating to cartridge length were pooched and it didn't work. The U.S. then continued on for the next decade with what they already had for MG's before they built a new GPMG with a bipod AND a pistol grip. (1919A6 doesn't count) When they did so, they failed to take into account that the design anticedent MG42 was recoil operated with much more power being available to operate the gun, and built the M60 instead with a gas system that left it severely underpowered in that regard and prone to "run-away gun", (usually when the gun/gas system was severely carbon fouled or poorly lubricated or both) a syndrome cured by the addition of a secondary sear notch on the operating rod only after almost 20 years of service.