my s/42G k98!

[Chris_Reeves]

hi guys, i just picked up this S/42G k98k, all matching and everything, i was wondering what its worth,and if i got lucky i got it for 500, from a 90 year old guy who brought it back, anyway heres the pictures

http://img222.echo.cx/img222/4382/10005512aa.jpg
its the one on the top, the one on the bottom is a yugo capture
http://img222.echo.cx/img222/3931/10005527fo.jpg
stock proofs
http://img222.echo.cx/img222/6019/10005614lr.jpg
bolt
http://img222.echo.cx/img222/458/10005566ff.jpg
and the reciever
thanks!

[bodes]

hi guys, i just picked up this S/42G k98k, all matching and everything, i was wondering what its worth,and if i got lucky i got it for 500, from a 90 year old guy who brought it back, anyway heres the pictures
thanks!

Chris, First welcome aboard....Looks like a nice rifle.....My only concerns are the front sight protector and stock.....This rifle is an S/42G which was produced in 1935....Front sight protectors didn't show up till around 1941....Earlier Mausers woudn't have had sight protectors unless rebarreled later and would've had a solid walnut stock.....Yours appears to be laminated....Of course the possibility exists, that both were later replacements....Bodes

[airbiscuit]

Welcome (although I'm new here too). Regrettably.....[edited: ya'll tell him, I'm having too good of a day to be negative]

hi guys, i just picked up this S/42G k98k, all matching and everything, i was wondering what its worth,and if i got lucky i got it for 500, from a 90 year old guy who brought it back, anyway heres the pictures

http://img222.echo.cx/img222/4382/10005512aa.jpg
its the one on the top, the one on the bottom is a yugo capture
http://img222.echo.cx/img222/3931/10005527fo.jpg
stock proofs
http://img222.echo.cx/img222/6019/10005614lr.jpg
bolt
http://img222.echo.cx/img222/458/10005566ff.jpg
and the reciever
thanks!

[Chris_Reeves]

yeah, i know about that stuff i was thinking that this rifle being so early went through some aresonal upgrades and stuff, the stock even has some aresonal repairs on the left side of the reviever but im am positive about the numbers on everything they all match ill try and get some clear pictures but my digital camera sucks

[bodes]

yeah, i know about that stuff i was thinking that this rifle being so early went through some aresonal upgrades and stuff, the stock even has some aresonal repairs on the left side of the reviever but im am positive about the numbers on everything they all match ill try and get some clear pictures but my digital camera sucks

Chris, I would be curious IF the barrel is also serial #'d and possibly dated?....I have a 1937 Boriswalde made K98k.....The barrel is serial #'d matched but is dated 1939 (rebarreled year)....Date would be located just above the receiver...Right above where the barrel has the ammunition size (7.91 for example)....Mine reads D23 39 Pi....The 39 denoting year....I'm thinkings it's entirely possible your rifle was rebarreled, prior to the K98k adopting the cupped buttplate....But it was possibly also restocked with a laminated stock prior to that time period? Also, Is the stock numbered underneath between the pistol grip and the buttplate? Bodes

[airbiscuit]

Immediately, I notice that those stock proofs are not right. Need not say more. The bolt numbering or lack thereof, as well as the number on the safety require clear pics. Good pics of the floorplate and band numbering would be nice.

[Mike Tahirak]

I wouldn't worry about the sight hood. Sure, this rifle wouldn't have been originally cut for one, but after 1941, it was SOP for waffenmeisters to cut the grooves in the front sight base to accept the hood on those early rifles if and when they came in for repair or refurb...so that shouldn't be a problem. It doesn't necessarily mean it was re-barreled...

The stock is incorrect for that rifle, it should be a solid walnut stock. But that is small matter, it MAY have been replaced in the field, it may have been replaced here after it was brought back.

Regardless it is a nice piece, and is, in my opinion, well worth what you paid for it if all the other numbers truly match.

[airbiscuit]

Respectfully, we do not have sufficiently detailed pictures to make such an assessment. The stock stampings are identical to a repro stock stamp that has been floating around. My opinion at this point is the stock proofs are repro. The pic of the receiver is like looking through the bottom of a old time Coke bottle. In the best pic, you can't really tell which one is the Yugo. We can't tell if the bolt has been ground down and renumbered, nor the safety. If it is original, it is a later war rework of a G date that someone popped fake proofs on the stock. We don't know anything about the barrel markings to even make such an assessment. Chris, if you would post detailed pics of the things mentioned, we could provide a solid analysis.

I wouldn't worry about the sight hood. Sure, this rifle wouldn't have been originally cut for one, but after 1941, it was SOP for waffenmeisters to cut the grooves in the front sight base to accept the hood on those early rifles if and when they came in for repair or refurb...so that shouldn't be a problem. It doesn't necessarily mean it was re-barreled...

The stock is incorrect for that rifle, it should be a solid walnut stock. But that is small matter, it MAY have been replaced in the field, it may have been replaced here after it was brought back.

Regardless it is a nice piece, and is, in my opinion, well worth what you paid for it if all the other numbers truly match.

[Mike Tahirak]

I'm strictly going by what he posted...I said it was worth it, in my opinion, IF all the other numbers TRULY match. I agree, you can't tell squat from the pics.

Chris stated it was all matching...a novice 98k guy probably wouldn't realize what would be a proper stock, and where or if the stock and handguard would be s/n. So I can see a novice picking up a rifle, seeing all the metal parts numbered and matching and not realizing the stock should be numbered too on an early piece.

If it is a humped up renumbered to match gun, then that is a different story....

[airbiscuit]

Yes, but Mike you cannot value it at $500 without knowing what it is. We can't know what it is without better pictures. I see many Kar.98ks advertised as "all matching" when in fact they have some "restored" parts. My opinion is that the stock proofs are spurious. From the blurry pictures, the bolt flat and safety look questionable. Without a clear picture of the receiver and barrel, numbering, and description of the barrel markings, it cannot be valued more than $200 or so, IMHO.

I'm strictly going by what he posted...I said it was worth it, in my opinion, IF all the other numbers TRULY match. I agree, you can't tell squat from the pics.

Chris stated it was all matching...a novice 98k guy probably wouldn't realize what would be a proper stock, and where or if the stock and handguard would be s/n. So I can see a novice picking up a rifle, seeing all the metal parts numbered and matching and not realizing the stock should be numbered too on an early piece.

If it is a humped up renumbered to match gun, then that is a different story....

[graf]

I agree with airbiscuit completely- the stock proofs are recent fabrications, little doubt of that imo, the bolt serialing is highly suspect too, that "coke bottle view" does put some doubts there but what I can make out is really of concern.
The front sight is a non-issue as Mike is absolutely correct on the re-barrel not a necessity for that upgrade- any significant repair/refurb would of got that.

It is a good idea to check for a replaced barrel though; check for a later date code as bodes suggested, or often a "02" is on the ridge near where the bore measurement is located, or several barrel makers are well known for supplying replacement barrels Geco is one of them most often seen- others too- ERMA & BSW barrels are occasionally seen.

It is especially difficult to make authenticity judgments on reworks without a hands on, good pictures are a must for any worthwhile opinions to be given- the more that can be seen the better.

Yes, but Mike you cannot value it at $500 without knowing what it is. We can't know what it is without better pictures. I see many Kar.98ks advertised as "all matching" when in fact they have some "restored" parts. My opinion is that the stock proofs are spurious. From the blurry pictures, the bolt flat and safety look questionable. Without a clear picture of the receiver and barrel, numbering, and description of the barrel markings, it cannot be valued more than $200 or so, IMHO.

[bodes]

Yes, but Mike you cannot value it at $500 without knowing what it is. We can't know what it is without better pictures. I see many Kar.98ks advertised as "all matching" when in fact they have some "restored" parts. My opinion is that the stock proofs are spurious. From the blurry pictures, the bolt flat and safety look questionable. Without a clear picture of the receiver and barrel, numbering, and description of the barrel markings, it cannot be valued more than $200 or so, IMHO.

I agree that there is far too insufficient information to make sound evaluations....Many scenarios could exist....I think we all agree the stock is NOT original to the piece....It is evident that it would've been a solid stock with Weimar proofs.....As for the front sight it is true that the protector may have been added without rebarreling the rifle.....It would be a situation I'm sure would be cleared up with a "hands on" inspection....Bodes

[airbiscuit]

Bodes, as Mr.Graf said, pics can tell us alot, even without a hands on exam. Certain glaring problems jump right out of a good photo. The spurious stock proofs show that someone with rudimentary knowledge and a fake stamp attempted to "restore" this piece. That then leads to the question of what else could possibly be "restored"? I suspect you may have a barrelled receiver and some added parts. Though something about the receiver markings causes activation of my "sixth cynical sense", even through the Coke bottle effect........but maybe that's just because of the added stock proofs...................

I agree that there is far too insufficient information to make sound evaluations....Many scenarios could exist....I think we all agree the stock is NOT original to the piece....It is evident that it would've been a solid stock with Weimar proofs.....As for the front sight it is true that the protector may have been added without rebarreling the rifle.....It would be a situation I'm sure would be cleared up with a "hands on" inspection....Bodes

[Chris_Reeves]

and ive checked the barrel it is origional to the rifle it has numerous K155 waffenampts on it, i will take it apart and take pictures of it later
ok, ive taken some better pictures of parts all over the rifle, heres that arsonal repair i was talking about
http://img157.echo.cx/img157/879/10000508xb.jpg
heres a picture of the floorplate
http://img157.echo.cx/img157/6852/10000515gf.jpg
the bolt
http://img157.echo.cx/img157/5423/10000547ws.jpg
more of the bolt
http://img157.echo.cx/img157/2317/10000553kk.jpg
more of the bolt
http://img157.echo.cx/img157/3056/10000568fd.jpg
the right side of the reciever
http://img157.echo.cx/img157/8171/10000570ok.jpg
the rear site
http://img157.echo.cx/img157/2776/10000593gt.jpg
and finally the butplate
http://img157.echo.cx/img157/980/10000654hh.jpg
i have more close up pictures of the stock proofs, and i have found out from a close friend that they are indeed fake as well as the serial number that is stamped near the pistol grip, the front site has the k155 stamp on it and the barrel has some other waffenampts as well that i will take pictures of later when i take this rifle apart, if you need any more pictures of something let me know

[airbiscuit]

Sorry, but the bolt parts are renumbered, and poorly at that. The rear of the striker was ground flat and renumbered. The safety was ground out and renumbered poorly. I think I can smell the cold blue through the internet and out of my screen. Sorry, but the piece looks completely cobbed up, recently, by someone with rudimentary knowledge, poor skill or under the influence of intoxicants, a copy of Law's BOTW, a Dremel tool, some dies, and Brownells Oxphoblue. The stock has fake proofs, was sanded down, and likely was yanked off an import RC. That is probably where the whole thing came from. If a "vet" brought it back, he brought it back from Big Bob with the end cap at a recent gunshow. The floorplate and triggerguard are NOT renumbered, if that is any consolation. The piece has reenactor value only ($200 or so) as the parts are ruined by the renumbering. I stand firmly behind this analysis. Sorry for the bad news, but pulling your proverbial pud by telling you what you want to hear to make you feel good is not going to help you avoid getting burned like this in the future. Bring that POS back to the fraud that sold it to you and get a refund. Good luck and again, sorry for the bad news.