Complete HJ Leader

[jmcm]

I don't collect daggers but thats outstanding.

[ivbaust]

Not my area of collecting, but that is an awesome dagger with hanger ... and even more impressive to see 4 of these beauties in a row

[F J STEPHENS]

Complete HJ L:eader

Yes Gentlemen, always nice to see a complete HJ Leader set - and interesting to speculate if there were other makers than the usual Eickhorn and Horster versions.

Well, I have one such piece trademarked RZM M 7/14 - which I am sure you will all recognise as being that of P. D. Luneschloss, Solingen.

Most certainly the Luneschloss trademark has appeared on many post war creations - although they did exist prior to WWII and were certainly in business in the mid-1800s.

As far as the Third Reich is concerned, Luneschloss did produce some SA and NSKK daggers, as well as some SS Daggers under the SS Contract Code of 1053.

Perhaps the most surprising aspect of Luneschloss is that they are known to have produced examples of the Red Cross Hewer (stamped PDL on the tang).

I had never heard of a Luneschloss HJ Leader dagger, until one turned up a few years ago. It is a very nice dagger, but I personally don't believe it to be authentic - I simply acquired it to put in my collection of fakes. I will endeavour to attach a photo for the interest of all you other enthusiasts. Anyone know of another example?

If my attempts to upload the image fail, I will ask a colleague to assist - so here goes.................

[F J STEPHENS]

Complete HJ Leader

My attempt to upload the image of my RZM M7/14 HJ Leader failed - so I have forwarded to image to a friend who has offered to host the image for me - thanks in advance to John, for doing this.

I will be interested to see any comments about the piece.

FJS

[JohnZ]

Posting for Frederick.

[Serge M.]

My attempt to upload the image of my RZM M7/14 HJ Leader failed - so I have forwarded to image to a friend who has offered to host the image for me - thanks in advance to John, for doing this.

I will be interested to see any comments about the piece.

FJS

Hello Frederick,
Please start a new thread on this dagger as it is a controversial dagger IMO and has nothing to do with the fine period examples presented here.

Furthermore, here is a tutorial on how to post images on WAF:
http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...ad.php?t=30341

Regards,
-Serge

[F J STEPHENS]

Complete HJ L:eader

Hello Frederick,
Please start a new thread on this dagger as it is a controversial dagger IMO and has nothing to do with the fine period examples presented here.

Furthermore, here is a tutorial on how to post images on WAF:
http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...ad.php?t=30341

Regards,
-Serge

Actually Serge there is a valid observation to make, regarding this postwar fake HJ Leader compared to the examples posted by Ostmaerker. However, to demonstrate what I am referring to, I must request from Ostmaerker if he will be so good as to post photos of the obverse, and reverse, of the pommels of both of his Horster HJ Leader daggers.

I request this as I feel that there is something worth pointing out, which will be of interest to all collectors.

Frederick J. Stephens

[Serge M.]

I had never heard of a Luneschloss HJ Leader dagger, until one turned up a few years ago. It is a very nice dagger, but I personally don't believe it to be authentic - I simply acquired it to put in my collection of fakes..

I agree, it is IMO Post-War Luneschloss HJ Leader fake.

Actually Serge there is a valid observation to make, regarding this postwar fake HJ Leader compared to the examples posted by Ostmaerker. However, to demonstrate what I am referring to, I must request from Ostmaerker if he will be so good as to post photos of the obverse, and reverse, of the pommels of both of his Horster HJ Leader daggers.

Frederick, if you want to discuss this Luneschloss HJ and compare it to others as a study please start a new thread on it then ask for participation. This current thread is a 'Showing Thread' by Ostmaker. You can then if you like link this thread.
Regards,
-Serge

[Ron Weinand]

Beautiful Leader dagger here! There is much more to learn about HJ Leaders as the variety of different types produced by Eickhorn during initial production of this model. I am currently working on a paper on the different Eickhorn models and anyone having an Eickhorn that is a little different, contact me. Here is on for you to see. Natural finish blade with the 35 to 41 TM, soft leather scabbard with screwed on fittings and a screw on pommel. It is serial numbered on the inside fittings

[Serge M.]

Ron, What a beauty.

That's what a very short lived Eickhorn initial production looks like. Very hard to find.

Thanks for sharing.

-Serge

[Wim Vangossum]

I love this thread. Very interesting


Regards, Wim

[Ron Weinand]

I first saw this Eickhorn in the veteran's hands in a motel but in Springfield, Il and couldn't get it bought. Chased it for YEARS and finally was lucky enough to track it down several years later at a much increased price from my original offer. As a specialist in HJ and youth edged weapons, I just had to have it. There are several different Eickhorn variants with trademark and RZM marked blades.

[Serge M.]

Ron, Have you ever run across the HJ leader presentation dagger with a all steel scabbard that came originally in a case ?

-Serge

[Ron Weinand]

Yes, but only from Horster. A dark blue case with silver eagle HJ symbol on the front