Navy Dagger by Clemen & Jung

[Larry Lipps]

Thought you guys might enjoy this. Original guilting about 98%+. Killer Blade. The only thing preventing this piece from being one of the finest Known is that it is missing the scabbard lock knob. The hole is threaded, if I could just find a knob.

[Larry Lipps]

And the rest,

[Serge M.]

Larry, That's a wonderful example of a later C&J Navy with drilled crossguard.

[Billy G]

There are guys that won't touch these later Clemen & Jung examples with the large etched logo but some are right as rain. I like this one a lot.

[Serge M.]

There are guys that won't touch these later Clemen & Jung examples with the large etched logo but some are right as rain. I like this one a lot.

Billy, as usual, is correct.

These later logo C&J blades were left over at the factory and there were many Put-Togethers post-war.

I also like this one.

[thebig]

Hi guys,
I am one of them they don’t touch these later C&J KM daggers. My question, do you like the grip?
Best,
Oleg.

[Schlange]

Nope.


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[nickn]

You can buy the release buttons off eBay

[Bulldog]

I agree with Oleg i also do not like the look of the grip, looks like a solid plastic bright white post war one. Buffer pad also looks brand new.

Russ.

[Wim Vangossum]

I'm also no fan of such a snowwhite grip.


Regards, Wim

[Larry Lipps]

I have to admit I don't know what timeframe these were assembled from left over parts, but I do know this one has spent the past 47 years in a display case on the wall in a friends bedroom. If problems began before that you guys may be right, otherwise, I question your call.

[kris simoens]

Km c&j

This is how mine looks like and I believe it to be 100% wartime.
There's some decent wear to the inside of the scabbard rings and the portepee has been on the dagger for a long time.

Handle is yellow/cream as it should be after more then 70 years.

Kris.

[Serge M.]

Hi guys,
I am one of them they don’t touch these later C&J KM daggers. My question, do you like the grip?
Best,
Oleg.

Oleg, Good observation on the grip.
I have to reconsider my 'like'.

-Serge

[Billy G]

The grip color can be off-putting for sure. The thin grip wire is identical to the late model Clemen & Jung in Witty's book, as distinguished from the early produced piece with stamped logo. Just the look of the large etched logo can give collectors hives but I definitely believe some of these were produced pre-1945.

I think the etched logo C&J Navy daggers have to be taken on a case by case basis. One of the red flags is pommel detail, the originally posted piece seems to show decent detail, to me anyway.

Kris's example looks really nice.

[Frogprince]

I agree with Oleg i also do not like the look of the grip, looks like a solid plastic bright white post war one. Buffer pad also looks brand new.

Russ.

By developing a different type of plastic the Germans were eventually able to get around the problems with unstable/color changing plastics. I looked into the matter years ago looking for the timeline, so it seems I will have to look again because I don't recall how specific it was. FP