"Christmas" SA full röhm dagger

[Coltpython]

Hi!
Please tell me what do you think about this dagger, is it a repro?
Sorry about the quality, soon i will have some better pictures.
Br.

[Br. James]

I'm sorry to say that I can't make out anything of either side of the blade of this piece. The wood on the grip appears not to fit the hardware, and the scabbard looks like it's been exposed to dampness for years, as does the blade. As for this being an "SA Full Röhm Dagger," I can't see anything here that indicates that, and I have no idea what "Christmas" has to do with this piece!

Sorry to be so distant; hopefully you will be able to post some better, closer pix of this piece so that we all can respond with opinions.

Cheers,

Br. James

[tobau]

I'm sorry to say that I can't make out anything of either side of the blade of this piece. The wood on the grip appears not to fit the hardware, and the scabbard looks like it's been exposed to dampness for years, as does the blade. As for this being an "SA Full Röhm Dagger," I can't see anything here that indicates that, and I have no idea what "Christmas" has to do with this piece!

Sorry to be so distant; hopefully you will be able to post some better, closer pix of this piece so that we all can respond with opinions.

Cheers,

Br. James

Me too.
Grip looks so far very good and blade seems in bad condition.Common is the other way around!

[Mat J]

Christmas Dagger

Can't wait for better pictures here. I'm not an expert on these but the little I do know from the pictures provided indicates that it's a Pack produced piece on account of the pin used to affix the grip eagle. Eickhorn did not use the pin.

Although the dagger is in the scabbard backwards (pet peeve sorry) the fit seems pretty good although there is a very clear difference in patina between the upper scabbard fitting and crossgaurd. Not a good sign IMO. Scabbard screws look a bit different/odd looking but again I'm not a student of this type dagger. But looking to gain as much knowledge as possible if that day ever comes to pull the trigger on one.

I'm sure this will end up being a good educational thread. A tease for me. A dagger I would kill to have in my collection (Eickhorn example). I believe Victorman has a killer example and I hope he can share. Thanks in advance Herman!!

Mat J

[krikke1980]

I'm sorry to say that I can't make out anything of either side of the blade of this piece. The wood on the grip appears not to fit the hardware, and the scabbard looks like it's been exposed to dampness for years, as does the blade. As for this being an "SA Full Röhm Dagger," I can't see anything here that indicates that, and I have no idea what "Christmas" has to do with this piece!

Sorry to be so distant; hopefully you will be able to post some better, closer pix of this piece so that we all can respond with opinions.

Cheers,

Br. James

Sir, you realy cannot see the Röhm dedication?
Then see again but better.
Also the 'Alles für Deutschland' is clearly visible to me in the correct fond that you want to see on these very early prototype SA daggers which are called 'Christmas'-daggers.
The eagle also is a typical characteristic for these so called daggers.

Although not in the best condition, this is imo a good and original but salty example of a very very uncommon and rare dagger.

Thanks for showing.

Please place the dagger in its correct way in its scabbard. ;-)

[Coltpython]

I have some better pics, not the best... but the whole motto is visible as well as the Röhm's inscription. E.P.&S. Mark is out there as well.
Thank you all for help,
Michał

[scotty1418]

The condition is just so bad...

[Serge M.]

Have you taken it apart ?

Is this dagger in your possession ?

[MarcGB]

One thing is for sure... if I had a Christmas SA dagger, I would never spoil it by trying to increase its value faking the blade.

Is that a real Christmas one? Is that handle/ eagle correct?

Best,

Marc

[lucabrnroma]

Very interesting item and post,it's strange to me that a dagger with a such bad conditioned blade can have a grip in so nice conditions...but i'm totally unexpert on those daggers.

[Coltpython]

I didn't took it apart.
About its blade condition, you can see a similar prototype dagger for sale at mr. Wittmann's site.
Blade of his dagger is also in bad condition, and the Röhms inscription is ground.
It is also a Pack piece, eagle and motto IMO looks the same.
I'm sendind a picture of pommel nut for your opinions, if it was unscrewed, or not.

[Bulldog]

Could we have a close clear pic of the grip eagle please, the wood around the head appears to have been cut for the later type eagle which was easier to fit and the reason i believe for changing the design, or has the wood just broke away around the head?

Russ.

[Victorman]

Can we see what is left of the Pack maker mark ?

[krikke1980]

Could we have a close clear pic of the grip eagle please, the wood around the head appears to have been cut for the later type eagle which was easier to fit and the reason i believe for changing the design, or has the wood just broke away around the head?

Russ.

Russ, you will see and find those gaps around the head on every Christmasdagger's gripeagles.

[Coltpython]

I will post some better pictures soon, i'm now on holidays so i don't have it with me. This is the only picture i have on my phone.