Heer Dagger opinion

[spacey]

Question: why are some Heer grips darker or lighter orange?
My book says that orange depicts either cavalry, signals officers, artillery or engineer officer issue.

Due to age perhaps?

Just purchased from here on WA from Milton, no complaints on the price BTW. Just wondering...

[Schlange]

It is hard to say anything from these photos.
Color of Heer dagger handle does mark branch of army.


Schlange

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[Bulldog]

The grips are made from Trolon which is an early form of plastic, they started out white but due to the unstable pigment changed colour to various shades of yellow, orange and red, the colour is only skin deep and is thought to be caused mainly by exposure over time to UV light. Sometimes there is a lighter colour where the grip has been protected from the elements by a portapee, but as yet I have not heard an explanation for the change of colour under the pommel and ferule.

[QUOTE=Schlange;
Color of Heer dagger handle does mark branch of army.

On the off chance Schlange could you say where you got this information from.
Russ.

[spacey]

[QUOTE=Bulldog;8040218]The grips are made from Trolon which is an early form of plastic, they started out white but due to the unstable pigment changed colour to various shades of yellow, orange and red, the colour is only skin deep and is thought to be caused mainly by exposure over time to UV light. Sometimes there is a lighter colour where the grip has been protected from the elements by a portapee, but as yet I have not heard an explanation for the change of colour under the pommel and ferule.

[QUOTE=Schlange;
Color of Heer dagger handle does mark branch of army.

On the off chance Schlange could you say where you got this information from.
Russ.[/QUOTE]


Interesting.

So all grips were originally white?
If so, then shouldn't the Heer daggers which have white handles cost more, but from what I've seen, the cost is pretty much the same.
I can't really imagine that the handle is exposed to UV light that much, how many collectors take these things out into the sunlight?

[spacey]

It is hard to say anything from these photos.
Color of Heer dagger handle does mark branch of army.


Schlange

https://mojalbum.com/schlange88

http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...d.php?t=916564

Hard to say from the photos?

Really?

Not buying your reply, you're just plugging your site, and BTW everyone already knows it's Army.

[Bulldog]

It is still a bit of a mystery. As far as I know all period photos of in wear army daggers feature white grips (black and white photos would show a coloured grip as grey). I have also wondered about the UV light theory and tend to lean towards it being a combination of different atmospheric conditions and a chemical reaction on the outer area, the lighter areas seen where a portapee has been in place for a long time does indicate something to do with exposure to some kind of element. If you scrape off the outer layer/skin it is white underneath, its like a sun tan. I think the white grips seen are artificial ivory so may be made from a different material and I have no idea about the cost of these or celluloid wrapped which stays a white/cream colour.

Russ.

[Lloyds]

Question: why are some Heer grips darker or lighter orange?
My book says that orange depicts either cavalry, signals officers, artillery or engineer officer issue.


Where on earth did you get that foolish info ,from there are loads of dagger books around about army daggers that miss this foolish thought and why would the dagger handle reprisent 4 army branches and miss out on all the rest .Its a Army dagger plain and simple for all Army ranks allowed to wear it

[Schlange]

Color of Heer dagger handle depends on producer and history period when these dagger is produced.
Most early dagger has variations of red/orange/yellow coloured grips, and in later period some producers are used white colour.


Schlange

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[stingray69]

Color of Heer dagger handle depends on producer and history period when these dagger is produced.
Most early dagger has variations of red/orange/yellow coloured grips, and in later period some producers are used white colour.


Schlange

https://mojalbum.com/schlange88

http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...d.php?t=916564

Schlange,where did you find this info ?
It doesn't make sense to me

[spacey]

It is still a bit of a mystery. As far as I know all period photos of in wear army daggers feature white grips (black and white photos would show a coloured grip as grey). I have also wondered about the UV light theory and tend to lean towards it being a combination of different atmospheric conditions and a chemical reaction on the outer area, the lighter areas seen where a portapee has been in place for a long time does indicate something to do with exposure to some kind of element. If you scrape off the outer layer/skin it is white underneath, its like a sun tan. I think the white grips seen are artificial ivory so may be made from a different material and I have no idea about the cost of these or celluloid wrapped which stays a white/cream colour.

Russ.

Ok, but then why are the grips still orange when there are fairly significant chips in them? I've only owned 4 Heer daggers BTW.

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[spacey]

Question: why are some Heer grips darker or lighter orange?
My book says that orange depicts either cavalry, signals officers, artillery or engineer officer issue.


Where on earth did you get that foolish info ,from there are loads of dagger books around about army daggers that miss this foolish thought and why would the dagger handle reprisent 4 army branches and miss out on all the rest .Its a Army dagger plain and simple for all Army ranks allowed to wear it

You're not a very tolerant person are you?
It's from a book, and I'm asking questions on a forum.

[Schlange]

These book has wrong INFO.


Schlange

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[Lloyds]

[QUOTE=spacey;8042304]Ok, but then why are the grips still orange when there are fairly significant chips in them? I've only owned 4 Heer daggers BTW.


maybe the significant chips have been there for a lot of years.i have had several yellow /orange grip army,s were it is a far lighter shade under the cord for the knot were the light has,nt affected the grip

[Bulldog]

The new chipped/exposed area would change colour like the rest of the grip but how long this takes I don't think anyone knows.

Russ.

[Wim Vangossum]

It's indeed a fact that all period pictures show white grips