Wittmann fakes for sale ?

[jirka_gca]

Hi Guys,
just checked his offer today and again there are lot interesting pieces..
For example he have now about 5 Boker SS daggers...
3 or 4 (doesnt matter) have same mark (bigger Boker mark) but pin on all these daggers is different... (note same logo, I know there are 2 version of course)
Take a look its number (39571c) and same with other pin (39570c) and again with pin like on first example (39568c)
Its not first time I saw him selling stuff which is in compare with Siegert books or his own book complete another..
Looks like name sells :-D Thinking have he some real originals?
Whats You think about that...
Jirka

[Skyline Drive]

If by "pin" you are referring to the rune button, several different styles are commonly found on Bokers....

[jirka_gca]

please read text again.. look on his website, if You want really answer/help

[jirka_gca]

yes, pin=rune

[ebj]

Mr. Wittmann has been in the business for many years. I have bought, sold and traded with him since the early 1980's. He has written many books, articles and presented many seminars on the subject of daggers. I have contributed to some. Check out the video of the latest seminar on SA daggers he presented at the recent MAX Show. I don't believe he has any intention of deliberately selling fakes. None of us have survived this hobby over many years without be "taken" occasionally, and that includes reputable dealers.

[jirka_gca]

Take a look its number (39571c) and same with other pin (39570c)
Just look on it... For me doesnt matter the name of seller.. I care about daggers.. And so how it is possible? And if it real.. (same dagger with 2 different pins) I want to know why..and why its in Siegert book in other way.. Etc. In S.book is wrote that pins must by the same all time... so my question is : is he selling fake? or how it is possible.. but true is he got 2 same items with diferent runes...look on numbers..

your answer doesnt help.. You dont even look on that. You just wrote that hes 100% reputable.. dont spam here, I need experts and real answers which make sence....

Your answer is total out of thema.. This forum seems to useless

[The Red Baron]

SS dagger makers did not just use 1 style of "pin"/runic button. This is not a problem on the daggers you reference. They are fine.

[jirka_gca]

So why its in Siegert book wroten? So his book is with fantasy info?
So how it is with runen Baron? I thought that its wrote in book each type of each marker must have exactly rune.
So in Siegert book is one type rune in first marker mark version. In second mark version/type is other rune.
These runes are exactly same by mr.W 100% like in Siegert book.. Execpt one dagger, there is bad rune.. So how it is possible?

Do You understand me? It cant be fine!!!

[jirka_gca]

http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...=1#post7796609

help me here if really know some about ss daggers, thanks

[11C]

SS dagger makers did not just use 1 style of "pin"/runic button. This is not a problem on the daggers you reference. They are fine.

AGREE.....

Several different "pin" makers were used by dagger manufactures. You can find differences throughout most manufactures. I have even seen different ones on SA daggers within the same manufacture many times. Whitman has pointed this out in his descriptions as well as his book. On page 48 and 49 he shows convex and flat variations of buttons.

[Serge M.]

So why its in Siegert book wroten? So his book is with fantasy info?
So how it is with runen Baron? I thought that its wrote in book each type of each marker must have exactly rune.
So in Siegert book is one type rune in first marker mark version. In second mark version/type is other rune.
These runes are exactly same by mr.W 100% like in Siegert book.. Execpt one dagger, there is bad rune.. So how it is possible?

Do You understand me? It cant be fine!!!

jirka_gca,

For a new member, these are some strong accusations you are making about a World Leader in both collecting, authoring and dealing, in the blade end of our hobby.

How long have you been collecting SS daggers ? Do you have any examples in your collection where you can make comparisons ?

If I were you, I would listen up on veteran collectors here like Skyline, 11c and Red Barron.

In any case, I would suggest you change your tone, as your topic starter headline is sounding personal. The rest is up to you.

Regards,
Serge

[jirka_gca]

Man I only dont use this forum(but enter in 2011 or 2010)...reason people like You, dont answer and talking about who is who. I am only talking straight.. Trying get some real info.
There is lot disinformation about ss daggers in books of these guys... mr Johnsonn wrote in his book, there is only one maker of ss with ! and Siegert have 6 I think or 4, doesnt matter...
But get back here.. Thanks for 1 usseable info:On page 48 and 49 he shows convex and flat variations of buttons. But which book exactly..

So it does not matter which pin/rune is on dagger? Thats what u said/mean?
So why it is sorted strictly on S. book?

Please answer guestions or pass this thread...

[jirka_gca]

So today for collectors world is ok each type of rune in every type of dagger?

[rbminis]

Please answer guestions or pass this thread...

I'll pass.
Ralph.

[11C]

Man I only dont use this forum(but enter in 2011 or 2010)...reason people like You, dont answer and talking about who is who. I am only talking straight.. Trying get some real info.
There is lot disinformation about ss daggers in books of these guys... mr Johnsonn wrote in his book, there is only one maker of ss with ! and Siegert have 6 I think or 4, doesnt matter...
But get back here.. Thanks for 1 usseable info:On page 48 and 49 he shows convex and flat variations of buttons. But which book exactly..

So it does not matter which pin/rune is on dagger? Thats what u said/mean?
So why it is sorted strictly on S. book?

Please answer guestions or pass this thread...

"Exploring the Dress Daggers and Swords of the German SS"

by Thomas T. Wittmann