8Tung - Fantasy HJ-RPT knife on eStand

[Jo Rivett]

http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...d.php?t=873805

Beware, the knife (and paper bag) offered on the above sales thread is a 100% post war creation Fantasy product
Save your $1000.- for something constructive instead, like the Tax bill, or a donation to Save To Earthworms of Eastern Timor Foundation.

[popskipa]

Hello Jo,

Can you prove the knife is a fantasy item please?

As it is easy to criticise without proof, if it is proven fake it goes back to the dealer, Andrew Gates, who I bought it from.

Did you read the quote from Andrew Gates, his argument is compelling, can you disprove this? :
"These beautiful little knives were made by the Emil Voos company for sale as commemorative souvenirs of the 1936 Olympics. There is some controversy around that perhaps they did not exist and have been made since the war. It is some years since these all were found and brought onto the market, perhaps 15 years ago. I was around then, and saw the original packing box that they all came in! It had been stored badly and the top layer and bottom layer of daggers had been affected by the damp. The paper packets were destroyed and the daggers were rusty. Further down into the crate the daggers and packets were better and complete. I purchased for my own collection, one of the very rusty ones with part packet and a couple of the complete ones with no damage. I still have the better one in my collection to this day. All the daggers were identical, apart from one thing. Some had real stag grips, some had imitation stag grips made of wood. I am pleased to be able to offer another one of these very interesting collectables. The dagger itself is mint and un-issued (as they all were). This blade is in mint condition. It has the party day,Olympic etching one one side in gold/black/white. The other side has the Emil Voos logo/trademark. This dagger has real stag grips with the tiny enamel HJ diamond affixed to the grip. The scabbard is the small DJ size and is in mint condition. They all came with little paper bags/packets, and again these were all the same, printed with the Emil Voos details and over stamped in red ink for the BERLINER OLYMPIADE. I think these are super little knives and have thoroughly enjoyed owning my one for all these years. I hope the next owner of this does too"

Thank you, Keith

[Jo Rivett]

No, i did not read a single word of your description, and am not interested in who shills for them, or what the fables they use to peddle them are.

You assert, so you must prove, not the other way around.

Otherwise we could all make our own rubber Gau Awards and as soon as someone starts squealing that there was never such a thing, we could just sit back and quote some fable by a "known" dealer.

What i have just said, IF INCORRECT, would be the simplest thing to prove. No? They never existed, they are not a Third Reich product, a knife like this would never have been allowed to have been produced as a souvenir. A fantasy, a total mockery of the HJ knife and history.

See, i am not saying "In my opinion your item looks fake", i am saying that it never existed. If anyone believes i am wrong, then simply come with a few documented facts.

[Frogprince]

These knives are 4th Reich trash. Multi-generational batches of them manufactured having different kinds of grips including simulated ones of wood - expressly made for the 'Collector's Market'. FP

[popskipa]

Jo and FP your points are well made, I cannot fault your reasoning, thank you.

Are there no dagger collectors, on this forum, that have different opinions about the knife? Or is it 100% unanimous the HJ Olympic knife is fantasy item?

Thanks, Keith

[Mac 66]

Send it back for a refund asap Keith !!

post war Junk made to fool collectors out there hard earned cash just like the DJ knifes imo



Regards Mac 66

[Frogprince]

Jo and FP your points are well made, I cannot fault your reasoning, thank you.

Are there no dagger collectors, on this forum, that have different opinions about the knife? Or is it 100% unanimous the HJ Olympic knife is fantasy item?

Thanks, Keith

Keith, As Jo and Mac66 stated they are all postwar junk. Although I imagine that we might find a dealer who in exchange for $500.00 might write up a COA for one?? Who knows? - Although I'm certain that it would generate a very interesting discussion as to his credibility. Posting just one example of one: I have others showing other types of really poor workmanship, "Olympic" etching over a post manufacture damaged blade, etc. etc. Fred

[popcorn]

Oh no no. Not another fake HJ/DJ whatever they want to call it. I noticed when ever something is fake, instead of using the word fake they use "controversial".

[rbminis]

Oh no no. Not another fake HJ/DJ whatever they want to call it. I noticed when ever something is fake, instead of using the word fake they use "controversial".

Most likely the people that use the word "controversial" already own one.
Ralph.

[ironfist]

KFC MR sanders

Sorry I meant Whitman .
Just had a look on his site and he HAS STOPED SELLING these.
He had a few over the last years when one sold .Another VERY rare item,would appear. He had sold jute a few of these over the years and now has thought better .
OR he has just sold all of the sxxt he had.Proberly the latter.
Proberly get some grief for this now ,don't care.
Happy days

[Frogprince]

Most likely the people that use the word "controversial" already own one.
Ralph.

Or in the case of some dealers using "weasel words" like controversial gives them deniability when they don't want to give refunds to the customers they have scammed. Fred

[Notaguru]

What ever happened to the HJ knives supposedly made for the 1936 Olympics? I mean the ones with the blue diamonds and Olympic Rings. They cam on the market maybe 15-20 years ago, then disappeared. As I remember, they were selling for some serious money.

[Serge M.]

What ever happened to the HJ knives supposedly made for the 1936 Olympics? I mean the ones with the blue diamonds and Olympic Rings. They cam on the market maybe 15-20 years ago, then disappeared. As I remember, they were selling for some serious money.

Last one I saw of the Blue Diamond 'variant' Col. Johnson sold a few years back. I don't recall the story he had with it, was it claimed to be a 'Marine' ?

[Mac 66]

Hi Keith,



Let us know how you get on getting your refund ?


pix saved for future reference


Regards Mac 66.

[Frogprince]

What ever happened to the HJ knives supposedly made for the 1936 Olympics? I mean the ones with the blue diamonds and Olympic Rings. They cam on the market maybe 15-20 years ago, then disappeared. As I remember, they were selling for some serious money.

That’s a really good question. Where do all of the fakes like the Blue Diamond HJ knives, Krupp daggers, etc. etc. go when they have been exposed as fakes? Some fakes I know of get sold offshore to places where English is not the primary language. Others? Who knows??

Last one I saw of the Blue Diamond 'variant' Col. Johnson sold a few years back. I don't recall the story he had with it, was it claimed to be a 'Marine' ?

A few years back I remember him selling a Green Diamond ‘variant’. Maybe they were part of a matched set for the HJ ‘Marine-Forestry’ Youth. Fred