SA Rohm on estand

[patrice]

This SA Rohm on estand should be discussed.


http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...d.php?t=867236

That dedication does not look like one I ever seen on a Eickhorn Rohm, or on any Rohm....pre 1945 that is.

It is also pretty obvious that the inscription burnishing is so much darker than the motto and logo.

[patrice]

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[patrice]

There are also couple more red flags on this dagger.

Are those mounts and grip look like any Eickhorns to you ?

[patrice]

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[Philippe Gérard]

If you want to compare with mine.....

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[patrice]

Not the same maker and therefore different, not relevant to the thread.

Votre dague n'est pas du même fabriquant et n'a rien a voir avec la discussion présente. Merci

[JohnZ]

Here`s mine.

[patrice]

John Z, and your conclusions are ?

Look at the letter T in the name Ernst, not even close, JR's dagger is an obvious fake, no doubt about it.

I doubt if anyone will speak out on this as JR has many friends out there, this is nothing personal but I get the chills when I see such an obvious fake being sold at an even crazier price. We all make mistakes and I'm certain that this is an honest mistake but when you sell such a high end dagger, one should take time to do his own research which is not the case on this one.
This is not the first time that such a thing happen with JR but as a note of advice, know your stuff before buying, even the so called guru makes mistake.

[Br. James]

I don't think the accenting depth of color on the blade's motto or the dedication is a clue to originality here. I believe the Röhm dedication was added by the factory after the blade was produced and acid-etched with its motto...perhaps even after the entire piece was assembled...so the look of the two sides of the blade can be quite different, given that the two etchings were done at different times. Also, if a blade has been buffed over the years, the motto surface -- which has the bolder etching and therefore the more highlighted area -- can be more easily diminished by the buffing process than can the Röhm dedication, which is much finer in width of inscription.

Hope this thought is helpful. Always a difficult subject, IMO, but one of my favorite blades!

Br. James

[Serge M.]

Due to the rarity found today, we know that Eickhorn did make a Rohm Honor dagger with the large logo for a very short time, probably just a matter of days, until they switched to the small logo moved close to the crossguard that we are all familiar with.
However, I have not seen a change of a Rohm etch template between the a early run and the later run of SA Rohm dedications. There are other issues on concern but the period originality of the dedicated etch of the main concern.

I have a early 'large Eickhorn logo Rohm' in my stash, and the dedication looks nothing like the subject dagger. However, it does look like Johnny Z's.

Here's it is:

[Skyline Drive]

The large Eickhorn maker mark is not the same on these two daggers.

[Serge M.]

The large Eickhorn maker mark is not the same on these two daggers.

That's correct.
I have seen another large logo Rohm SA, but it was also the 'Split Tail' version as the one I posted.

[Barry Brown]

Due to the rarity found today, we know that Eickhorn did make a Rohm Honor dagger with the large logo for a very short time, probably just a matter of days, until they switched to the small logo moved close to the crossguard that we are all familiar with.
However, I have not seen a change of a Rohm etch template between the a early run and the later run of SA Rohm dedications. There are other issues on concern but the period originality of the dedicated etch of the main concern.

I have a early 'large Eickhorn logo Rohm' in my stash, and the dedication looks nothing like the subject dagger. However, it does look like Johnny Z's.

Here's it is:

Wags: your Eick' Rohm inscription is + 1

[JohnZ]

Very different T`s between the ones shown by Wags and by me vs the one on JRs site.

I stand with Patrice on this one.

Here are shots of the grip and the obverse etch.