Personalities wanted

[F J STEPHENS]

Personalities, and other Swords?

Gentlemen,

We have drifted slightly off the subject of "Personalities in collecting", and into the realm of "other swords relating to Hermann Goring". So the question here is: Was there another "Goring Wedding Sword"?

Well the answer is YES, there was another Goring Sword - but it wasn't a Wedding Sword, it was a different sword ...... and I am waiting for further information about it.

I think I know what this sword is . . . . but before I speak up, if if any one else has information about a Goring Sword being sequestered by the US Government then would you please reveal your information.

I know that this intrigue suggests a case of another "Maltese Falcon" (an enthralling film starring Humphrey Bogart, circa 1940), but the truth is, that the truth about these Goring swords has never been fully revealed. If any body can add to this, then I for one would be genuinely pleased to hear about it.

Frederick J. Stephens

[N.C. Wyeth]

Well the answer is YES, there was another Goring Sword - but it wasn't a Wedding Sword, it was a different sword ...... and I am waiting for further information about it.

I once saw this one . . . and it was always my favorite "Göring sword". IMO, not much can beat a really nice two-handed broadsword in Damast.

[Frogprince]

................... So the question here is: Was there another "Goring Wedding Sword"?

Well the answer is YES, there was another Goring Sword - but it wasn't a Wedding Sword, it was a different sword ...... and I am waiting for further information about it...................

On another forum which no longer exists there was I think at the time what was called the "Göring Industrial Sword". A large Knights/Crusader type of sword upon closer examination it was machine engraved and had some bad welds that were breaking loose in some places, and a handle assembly that showed some poor workmanship in places. Comments that were not always appreciated, it was supposedly found in a building somewhere after the war (the stated reason why there is/was no period documentation) with the theory/argument behind it being that it was made by students if I remember it correctly. FP

[Larry C]

Thankyou Mr Stephens for this thread and sharing other Pioneer great personalities that has shaped this hobby and also sharpened many serious collectors in today's standards .

I never met Mr Milestone.....but I'm honored to own a piece of his legacy from his collection ..which I still retain in mine today.

Its a great pleasure to read and see all these great names mentioned and helps to keep in perspective those who contributed and where it all began.

Thankyou for your presence here.
Best Regards Larry

[N.C. Wyeth]

On another forum which no longer exists there was I think at the time what was called the "Göring Industrial Sword". A large Knights/Crusader type of sword upon closer examination it was machine engraved and had some bad welds that were breaking loose in some places, and a handle assembly that showed some poor workmanship in places. Comments that were not always appreciated, it was supposedly found in a building somewhere after the war (the stated reason why there is/was no period documentation) with the theory/argument behind it being that it was made by students if I remember it correctly. FP

Sounds like the other "Göring sword" to me. [and much like the "Kaltenbrunner sword" I once had the pleasure of witnessing]

[Frogprince]

Sounds like the other "Göring sword" to me. [and much like the "Kaltenbrunner sword" I once had the pleasure of witnessing]

The "Göring Industrial Sword" actually had a Damascus blade, so for myself I don't put it in the same class as the "Kaltenbrunner" sword. An object sought after by some other TR blade collectors the "Kaltenbrunner " sword has an interesting history. In the interest of brevity I won't go into some of the names associated with its early history. Other than to say it came back into the marketplace on another forum with the seller hinting that a six figure price was what he was looking for, and the sword itself being called into question. The reasons being that there were some things about it that did not make sense and the seller was repeatedly asked for some better pictures which were ignored.

Then years later it surfaced in an auction (like some other fakes that disappear from view for a time) that provided visual evidence that myself and some others found compelling, that was proof that a hoax had fooled some so-called experts. (It sold this time for substantially less.) So as I have done in the past with some highly contested topics I will let the three images posted tell the story (there are more). That being that the sword is not period Damascus as claimed - but a mechanical/faux Damascus using something like a relatively inexpensive Dremel © tool (or its equivalent). FP

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[N.C. Wyeth]

Sounds like the "Kaltenbrunner sword" I remember. When I was introduced to it, I didn't know all the past Personalities involved. For me, that was another interesting experience in the world of collecting TR edged items.

[Sgt. Steiner]

I would add Ray from Mohawk Arms as one of the old guard. I still have the 1967 MA catalog from which I purchased my first dagger, a 2nd Model Luftwaffe for a whopping $28.00

[Br. James]

I fully agree with Sgt. Steiner: Ray Zyla of Mohawk Arms should certainly be included in any listing of the early dealers in our hobby...and a fine and respectable one, too! I couldn't count the number of artifacts that have come to my collections over the past five-plus decades through Mohawk Arms auctions.

Br. James

[Rich Moran]

The 2nd Goring wedding sword ended up in the hands of a well known militaria dealer on the west coast of California, in the Long Beach area of LA. I had personally held the sword several years ago. The blade had the head of Christ on it, which is the sword Napolean carried on his conquests. That sword was ransacked by Goring on his sacking of museums in Paris of great artworks. It ended up in the dealers hands along with uniforms, overcoat and Gorings dress visor as well as medals. The collection was sold to a customer who the dealer did not know was a drug dealer. His computer listed his financial tracks back to the dealer, as he was still holding the collection that was being paid on monthly with drug dollars. The computers info led them to the dealer and one day the feds showed up taking many items from the dealer and using what was not part of the drug money purchase to pressure the dealer on revealing his customer data base which I understand was not revealed and hotly contested by the militatia dealers legal team. He did loose the sword and everything else that was Gorings confiscated.