German Army dagger with engraving. Opinions?

[MrMiler]

Hi!

Do you think this dagger is real?
Is it rare?


Thanks.

MrMiler

[MrMiler]

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[MrMiler]

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sorry, but this is all I got. hope you can give me some advice.

[JohnZ]

Common wisdom says that eagles on Heers or Lufts should have sprigs of oak leaves under the wings.

While this isn't a 100% rule, I believe in it and haven't yet seen a no sprig eagle that is period.

John

[tanker]

I believe it is a reproduction. The correct maker mark should just be a z.
This trade mark is known on reproductions. Ron

[TPK]

Agree and while the blade is reproduction again probably from Atwood source rest of dagger appears ok. TPK

[Billy G]

I agree with John. Although I don't believe the missing oak leaves beneath the eagle is, in itself, dispositive but the large etched Clemen & Jung maker mark is pretty accurate indicator of fakery. Sorry man.

[Serge M.]

You don't want a pigeon in a collection of eagles ?

[victorbaule]

IMO the dagger is a completly fake, Production of Spanish scabbards have a very distinctive pattern formed by the pebbling on the scabbard: this pattern take the form of irregular swirls. : 1no_way:

[Ron Weinand]

Early 1970s fake

[heers68]

Bad blade and scabbard for sure.. I don't like any of it! Kevin.

[cogwheel]

I agree with Weinand, the dagger is an early 1970s Spanish reproduction. However, I want to mention here that the swirl pattern stippling by itself is not an indicator of reproduction if the scabbard base material is steel.