Kriegsmarine sword

[amiklic1]

Kriegsmarine sword, I believe manufactured by Horster, plain blade, no etching, depot markings.

As far as I am concerned, it's a nice original piece.

What do you think?

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[damasco]

Has many issues... Scabbard leather?? one..
http://www.history-revisited.com/det...rd-ww1-and-ww2

[amiklic1]

Has many issues... Scabbard leather?? one..
http://www.history-revisited.com/det...rd-ww1-and-ww2

I would like you to elaborate a bit briefly, as I have compared it to other original pieces and it still looks good to me.

Thank you in advance!

[damasco]

I'm confused..,Can you post pictures of the original Navy swords you compared this to?

[amiklic1]

Looks pretty much like this one:
http://www.militaria-lexikon.de/kata...-_militar.html

Here bellow comparison of few details, with another Horster piece
(also a photo of other side of the handle where you can see the celuloid is broken, and wood under it painted in white to cover it).

The link you posted before leads to a obvious modern reproduction, we can always find on eBay and other sites, and I am aware of those.
I can't say I am sure this one is original, but it's different than those pieces.

And when we talk about it, I'd like the discussion to be argumented.

Thanks!

[Dr.Vet]

Not sure what is the manufacturer but it looks like the original sword, Reichsmarine period. The only suspicious thing is different (darker) scabbard color. Maybe just the effect on the picture.

Dr.V.

[Ed Sunday]

Sword looks correct but I don't believe this is the scabbard it came with.

[damasco]

Not sure what is the manufacturer but it looks like the original sword, Reichsmarine period. The only suspicious thing is different (darker) scabbard color. Maybe just the effect on the picture.

Dr.V.

Bingo! The scabbard.. Parts or is a scabbard from the current Indian Navy swords most have fake issue numbers stamped on them.As you can see on the pictures you posted the faker ground them off the scabbard's top fitting removing the non-matching numbers.......
So what you have is a German sword missing the scabbard with a Indian scabbard married with it.. Look at it guys the leather is the dead give away (not all the detail is there and never was) and than look at the poor fittings etc....Also the scabbard top fitting pin is sitting to high on the throat. Stop looking at the hilt.
You can buy a complete Indian made German style navy sword for $180 complete on the web..

[damasco]

Sword looks correct but I don't believe this is the scabbard it came with.

WaY to go Ed

[amiklic1]

Bingo! The scabbard.. Parts or is a scabbard from the current Indian Navy swords most have fake issue numbers stamped on them.As you can see on the pictures you posted the faker ground them off the scabbard's top fitting removing the non-matching numbers!!.......
So what you have is a German sword missing the scabbard with a Indian scabbard married with it.. Look at it guys the leather is the dead give away (not all the detail is there and never was) and than look at the poor fittings etc..... Stop looking at the hilt!! Show me the original (key word) scabbards you compared it to...Way to go ED!!!!

Ok, I see that the depot marking is only on the sword, not on the scabbard. At least from available photos.

But, where did your other "concerns" went?

Originally you wrote: " The grip is wrong (fit etc....) the blade is made wrong.. The scabbard is made incorrect.. And in general the scabbard fittings are bad.. Markings?? The sword finish?? Also the sword hilt may have started life as a candle stick holder these have much less detail.. FYI So at best you my have a crappy finish German hilt on a Indian Navy sword torso.. Can we see a picture of the top of the lion-head.. As I'm sure you have one if you compared it with other original swords. and later you updated it and deleted most of it ;-).


As I asked, I only want a good, argumented discussion. Bunch of "may-be-or-not" statements and questions do not help at all.

[amiklic1]

Sword looks correct but I don't believe this is the scabbard it came with.

I also think so, mostly because of absence of the depot markings, which should be on both sword and the scabbard.

Thans for your opinion.

[amiklic1]

One scabbard detail which is strange, if not giveaway.

Other Horster sword I am referencing to has different rings.