The myth about SA marine daggers .. an attempt to explain

[Serge M.]

Ivbaust, This is a very interesting issue you have brought up on The SA/NSKK/Marine dagger.

Personally, I believe that the ALL BLACK painted dagger were NOT just a 'error' by a local gruppe. I believe them to be either SA or NSKK marine. The ones with the silver fittings. There are some scarce few examples where the grip is period dyed black with a blued scabbard -all original.

Then we have the gilt plated fittings of a Mod.33 SA dagger. We know those are original as a few of us have found them back-in-the-day from woodwork sources. The 1938 Organizations book doesn't show a gilt fitted mod.33 but shows the chained gilt plated 1938 NSKK marine.
So, does that mean none existed, prior or even during the printing of the book?
I believe the evidence points that not only where the gilt plated mod. 33 'Marine' dagger existed with early trade marks but also with later RZM version as this one.
http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...rine+SA+dagger

Furthermore, On the gilt plated marine daggers not only the dagger fittings were gilt plated but so where the hanger metal assy's also to include the belt loops.

-wagner-

[Serge M.]

Here's a period marine SA paint job. Note the hanger. ALL Black, NO SS Markings.









But it does have a Big Anchor on the blade so maybe a Marine Leader.

[josh105]

Don't forget that from photographs gold "glit" can also be produced by tobacco smoke...

See below:

[Rheingold]

Here's a period marine SA paint job. Note the hanger. ALL Black, NO SS Markings.
But it does have a Big Anchor on the blade so maybe a Marine Leader.

Hey...some nice daggers here
The vertical is unmarked,pre RZM-vintage?

@IV
a great book!

[J. M. C.]

I don't know if this helps but here's one with a brown grip, brown scabbard, silver fittings, and a SA marine dedication.

“Unserm Sturmfuhrer in Liebe u. Treue gew. S.A. Mar. Sturm 13 Lu”. The blade dedication roughly translates to “Dedicated to our Sturmfuhrer in love & loyalty S.A. Mar.(rine) Storm 13 Lu”

It's a sad one but I cherished it while I had it.

The dagger was originally posted here...

http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...d.php?t=658360

[ivbaust]

Interesting dagger! Thanks for showing it in this thread

This dagger looks like a normal SA dagger (brown grip, silver crossguards and fittings) and thus supports the theory, that the SA Marine had the same daggers like the regular SA.

[Serge M.]

Very unusual to find the blade dedication to read from a 'left handed' perspective, which of opposite of the obverse direction of the motto.

[J. M. C.]

Hi Wagner,
It is an interesting dedication. If you would like to see a couple more shots there are some here in my gallery...

http://jimsmilitariacollection.com/s...gger-c-linder/

The dagger sold to a dealer so they are all of the pictures that I have.

[ivbaust]

Very unusual to find the blade dedication to read from a 'left handed' perspective, which of opposite of the obverse direction of the motto.

Why not, wags? Would you have concerns with a 'left handed' dedication? I agree it's unusual, but nothing is impossible.

[Serge M.]

Why not, wags? Would you have concerns with a 'left handed' dedication? I agree it's unusual, but nothing is impossible.

It was just a observation. IMO, that dedication is period original and I have no issues on originality. I like that dagger.
Just another oddity which leaves collectors today to ask- why. Why was the dedication placed in reverse to the normal right reading direction? Was perhaps the owner left-handed'?

One of many little mysteries of this hobby which answers we will never know, but the evidence is there in the Solingen steel.

[daggers]

The engraving has an error which let me think it had been engraved by a not german speaking person also not used to the german gothic script. I do not want to get into details because also fakers do learn here. But it is my honest and experienced observation.
Greetings, daggers.

[ivbaust]

The engraving has an error which let me think it had been engraved by a not german speaking person also not used to the german gothic script. I do not want to get into details because also fakers do learn here. But it is my honest and experienced observation.
Greetings, daggers.

If you relate to the first word, it was not unusual to that time to write it as it is on the blade ... JMO

[daggers]

If you relate to the first word, it was not unusual to that time to write it as it is on the blade ... JMO

No, not relating to the first word.
Greetings, daggers.

[J. M. C.]

That's what I love about dedication daggers, no matter what there will always be someone, somewhere, at sometime that doesn't like something about them.

The person that I got it from found it rotting away in the basement of the vet (that brought it home) after he passed away.

A lot of people examined it in hand and had no problems with it. Either you like it or you don't.

[daggers]

That´s what I love about collectors, no matter how serious or experienced a comment might be, if it´s their dagger it does always come from a vet and is always without any doubt sacrosanct.
Take it or leave it,
Greetings, daggers.