Bayonet and frog WW2 ?

[martin guerre]

Hi guys i would like to have your opinion with this bayonet and strange frog..
Is this combination is German WW2 or ?
No date and no Waa on the bayonet only maker mark is present ..
Thanks for your time and knowledge
Cheers,
Martin

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[flatlander]

Martin,
That bayonet is a late war Alcoso commercial in a late war "breadbag" (collector term) frog. Nice looking rig.

[martin guerre]

Thank you very much flatlander
What do you mean "commercial"?

[flatlander]

Commercial were not issued bayonets. You could private purchase them, many were used by para military groups, (police)

[Frogprince]

If memory serves me correctly, in an old (pre TR) catalog dress blades cost about 1/2 of what the military versions cost. Which is easily understandable as they were meant to be actually used in field operations/combat. With higher standards, inspections, etc. etc. adding to the cost. The term “commercial” I think may have come from a collectors need (back in the day) to describe the military type bayonets. That were not made under the control of the Heereswaffenamt (HWaA) - ie: German Army inspection and control system for the Wehrmacht (with serial numbers for accountability). But instead were made for those TR era organizations that were not a part of the Wehrmacht, but had combat arms equipped units.

With some of the earliest TR period “commercial” bayonets being those made for the German Railway system, along with some others showing signs of coming off the military products production lines. While still others might have German Police markings (98 K’s not the standard German Police sidearm), the German Postal system etc. But at some point fairly early in war most of the extra markings disappeared - but the non-HWaA inspected bayonets did not. With the example here looking like a perfectly correct late period example by Coppel as one of the four or five known makers from that time period. FP

[jwh44]

Hello
"commercial bayonets" are not private purchase. They are issued to the men in arms which are not under the control of the army (Police, Raylway, RP, organizations.......). This is the rteason why you don't find WaA on these bayonets and the maker stamps his trade mark when he does.
Regards
Alain

[SG8498.13]

Salut

Salut

Tout a été dit,je voulais juste te dire qu'elle etait
chou cette baionnette.

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