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    1913 Sawback Bayonet

    Hello all!

    If this is the wrong area of the forum to post this then I sincerely apologize!

    If not, could you fine gentlemen (and ladies?) tell me what exactly I have on my hands here?

    My family owns a recycling facility and militaria comes in all the time. Luckily, I can use it to build my collection/ share with my high school history students (I work for my parents during the summer and work as a 7-12grade history teacher during the school year).

    An elderly couple came into our facility yesterday to dump some random/ worthless objects that they were not able to sell after holding a yard sale. They came up to the office to pay when they saw a sign I posted about wanting helmets and militaria and we had a conversation about how I'm a history teacher and I love to share these historical objects with my class.

    The couple told me that they had the poster and bayonet up for sale at the yard sale, but they hadn't sold. They had them in their car, and luckily they decided not to dump them. They decided to give me the bayonet and poster.

    The man told me that during WW2 he was in the Boy Scouts. His troop went on a "mission to hunt for scrap metal for the war effort" and he found the bayonet. He thinks a WW1 vet gave it to him to melt down for the war effort because the vet didn't have the heart to hold onto a "Hun bayonet while our boys are over there fighting the Nazis." He said he thought the bayonet was neat and decided to hold onto it instead of turning it in to be melted down. The man said the bayonet had been sitting in the crawl space under the stairs in his family's house ever since.

    The woman said she won the poster in a school spelling-bee. She said she was so excited to win the poster because at the time, she thought FDR was the only president EVER!

    I loved the stories behind these two finds! I felt so happy and honored about them giving my the bayonet and poster, that I offered to pay for their dump fee... I told them it was the least I could do. The dump fee ended up being exactly $11 and they were thrilled.

    The bayonet has some rust, but I think it really is in awesome shape considering it's almost 100yrs old. The wood panels on the grip are especially in awesome condition. The button on the rear of the grip even works just like new!

    My eyes literally popped out of my skull when I pulled the bayonet out of the scabbard and saw the saw-back. I have heard so many stories about these things being rare and that German soldiers were executed on the spot if they were captured with these barbaric weapons! Are these rumors true?

    SO! What exactly do I have here? How rare is this bayonet and what is it's value?

    I don't think I can share this one with my high school students!























    Thanks for taking a look!

    #2
    V. Chr. Schilling, Suhl is a common maker. the sawback is a bonus and i would say that in this condition, which is good, it's worth anywhere from $200 to $300.

    from what i know, the stories about sawbacks is true, and many soldiers had the saw removed just to be safe if captured. although its primary use was in construction.

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      #3
      That is a really interesting story about how the guy (as a Boy Scout during WWII) saved the WWI vet bring-back bayonet from the scrap metal drive. LOTS of nice WWI souvenirs were melted down in the WWII scrap drives, so it is nice to have an item that you can document as having been saved from the destruction.

      If I were you, I would catch up with the elderly gentleman and take his photo with the bayonet as well as record his story. Heck . . . maybe he has an old photo of him in his Scout uniform from the WWI era that he would share with you?

      As the other post indicated, this is a fairly common bayonet but it is in nice shape and I think the WWI scrap drive story is really the most interesting part of the deal.

      Great find!

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        #4
        Great buy for $11

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          #5
          I share bayonets like this with my high school students every year -- this is exactly the type of thing that kids love to see when discussiong WWI. Maybe new York is a little stricter about these kinds of artifacts being shown in class but this will surely keep their interest (for a while at least).

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            #6
            Hello

            At the beginning of 1918 the german high command decided that the saw of the bayonets have to be removed for the soldiers who fought on the front line. The removing of the saw was mainly made by the field armourer but some of them were removed in arsenal. These bayonet have a control stamp at the beginning of the removing. They are scarce.
            Now we still find a lot of sawback bayonets because this order was only for the front line soldiers and the application of this order was partially executed.

            Regards
            Alain

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              #7
              Originally posted by Alan Smith View Post
              That is a really interesting story about how the guy (as a Boy Scout during WWII) saved the WWI vet bring-back bayonet from the scrap metal drive. LOTS of nice WWI souvenirs were melted down in the WWII scrap drives, so it is nice to have an item that you can document as having been saved from the destruction.

              If I were you, I would catch up with the elderly gentleman and take his photo with the bayonet as well as record his story. Heck . . . maybe he has an old photo of him in his Scout uniform from the WWI era that he would share with you?

              As the other post indicated, this is a fairly common bayonet but it is in nice shape and I think the WWI scrap drive story is really the most interesting part of the deal.

              Great find!
              Thanks everyone!

              As soon as this Hurricane blows over, I'll see if I can catch up with him!

              It really has been quite an amazing summer for me... since July, I was able to obtain this bayonet, and I had a M35 DD and Japanese Type 90 Iwo Jima vet bring back donated to me! I hope my students enjoy these items this comng school year!

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                #8
                Originally posted by GIZMO8Z View Post
                Thanks everyone!

                As soon as this Hurricane blows over, I'll see if I can catch up with him!

                It really has been quite an amazing summer for me... since July, I was able to obtain this bayonet, and I had a M35 DD and Japanese Type 90 Iwo Jima vet bring back donated to me! I hope my students enjoy these items this comng school year!
                Hi I would like to become a student of your class but sadly i talking crapy english but i have noticed one error in your thread so maybe i make a chance,
                Greetings from the Netherlands Christian

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                  #9
                  What error?

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                    #10
                    Originally posted by GIZMO8Z View Post
                    comng

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                      #11
                      I brought a sawbuck from Passchendale and used it quite a bit in my school talks on WW1, never had a problem. I also bring in a hockey bag full of dewats, with school permission of course. Funny story, one of the high school students asked if we could fire the MG42 in the soccer field once....

                      On another note your finding some pretty cool items at the dump! Any more helmets turned up?

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                        #12
                        Giz
                        Nice S98/05 m.S.
                        Alain they started removing the saw in 1917 not 18. Right after they ceased production of the sawback 05.

                        Regards
                        Eric

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                          #13
                          Hi Eric

                          1917? I have never heard of that. All the books about 98/05 bayonets say it was just at the beginning of 1918. A new information is still interesting. Where did you find this one ?
                          Regards
                          Alain

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                            #14
                            Eric found that information by his own true grit and determination in the trenches himself!

                            I am sure the British Propaganda machine fell all over itself to tell the world the Germans were being humane by removing those horrible little saw back notches.

                            William

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