M33 dagger help

[Mike Kenny]

Hi dagger guys,

Could someone please tell what type(s) of M33 pattern dagger with an SA logo in the hilt may have been produced with a GILT eagle )probably fire-gilt at that, definitely not lacquer imo). Image attached. Responses appreciated.

Regards from a perplexed badge guy
Mike K

[sdesember]

Hi: It looks like a silver-plated copper eagle. I've seen this on a '36 Chained SS dagger. Hope this helps!

[Mike Kenny]

Hi,

I should have added that the eagle is nickel silver. Look to the left of the swastika on the wreath where the detail has been worn away, definitely a silver coloured base-metal.

Regards
Mike K

[sdesember]

Hi: I'm not aware of any SS dagger w/gilted eagle. However, if the upper grip enblem is an SA rune then it could be a Marine SA.

[Billy G]

Is it possible that the "gold" color on the grip eagle is nicotine patina? I've had several SA/SS types with this. A Marine SA would be great too. Not too many of them and they always command a premium

[Bob Rodgers]

Marines had the fittings gilted, NOT the eagles.

who know what was put on this grip. can we see the rest

[Mike Kenny]

Hi,

The gilt finish has a metallic component and produces the same response in sunlight that fire-gilded badges do.

Additional images attached.

Regards
Mike K

[Skipper Greenwade]

Mike,

Are you sure the eagle is gilted? The reason I ask is that I have a chained SS dagger with a grip eagle that has even more of the gold toning than the one you have pictured. (If I could ever figure out how to post photos to the forum, I could put up a picture to illustrate my point)

The toning is most likely a combination of nicotine, dirt, and Father Time, as I'm sure the eagle on my dagger was not produced with a gilted grip eagle.

Skip

[Skipper Greenwade]

Hi Mike,

Here's a scan of the grip eagle on one of my '36 SS daggers. The gold color is definitely not the result of gilting, but 60 years of grime, sweat, and God knows what.

Happy 4th!
Skip

[chuck locke]

Just a question

To better help me in my pursuits- is the scabbard black or is it the picture. And if the scabbard is black would't this make it an NSKK dagger?

[Skipper Greenwade]

Chuck,

The scabbard is indeed black. The grip also appears to be black, but with an SA grip insignia, which would actually make Mike's dagger a Marine SA. The photo I posted is of an SS dagger grip.

Hope that helps clear things up!
Skip

[chuck locke]

grip

I thought the handle of Mike's dagger looked brown. If it was black it has worn a great deal. Not that I've seen a lot of these close up. They are getting extremely scarce in my opinion. Chuck