SS Rohm Dagger - Opinions?

[N.C. Wyeth]

[quote=JR.;4694659] There are Czech produced Bokers, Jacobs, Hammesfahr's, Klaas, 120/34'd and other produced SS daggers, that have been trickled into the market place that have fooled several advanced collectors and dealers alike. I've seen these daggers first hand and have a complete folder of photos on several pieces and can tell you that the situation is quite alarming.

The trend is moving very much in the direction that in order to buy an SS dagger in the future you will have to have some providence to go with the piece. We've seen very much the same on many other high prices SS items that are bought and sold in todays market. [quote]

JR - I think that rooster (D. Bertram Reinh. Sohn? ) flew the coop long ago for many . . . looking around today, I see the increasingly better forgeries chasing away more and more collectors (and potential, future collectors) all the time . . . and the fact that collecting can be seen in the terms of "todays market" . . . well, that says it all right there for me . . . collecting used to be fun - until it took a GIGANTIC turn down Wall Street ten years ago . . .

[JR.]

Seems like many collectors with the experience like those of Ed Sunday, Paul Hogel, Eric Rader, Adam 777 and others will no longer come forward to offer information, because it seems to fall on deaf ears when they try to help out. I don't blame them one bit.

If you are going to call a dagger bad, than bring out all the fact to show why and how you know that to be so, and what you are basing it on. We all need the info for education and to defend against new fraud and reproductions.

Here are a couple of Czech repos made in the last 5 years.

[JR.]

So how close are the fakers getting to a perfect fake?

Damn frucking good!!!!!!!!!!!

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Damn frucking good!!!!!!!!!!!

[Eric Von Rader]

I have a 30 second rule, once I pick up any TR item (after much study of original examples) you have a gut feeling. 98% of the time my gut is right. If you have to sit and stare at any item, scratching your head.................put it back and move on! Sadly this stuff is getting too expensive to make mistakes and, the fakers are spending a lot of capital to make high quality repos to rip off people. ANY item can be faked well, however you can't fake age (at least very well) When I see a super minty dagger with no wear,,,,,,,,,,,,it raises red flags. Notice the dagger JR posted, practically no wear of any type! This is super odd for a dagger that is 70+ years and the early examples were used often! Look at the medals market, too many really good repos and some were made with the original WW2 German dies post 1945! It has spooked many collectors. To add another layer of mines fields you have the jerks who make parts daggers, re-blue re-tip etc and sell them as "untouched". I can see a point in time some TR items will be graded and slabbed like a coin. Ya that would suck. We are in an age of CSI type of collecting.

JR does make several valid concerns, many of the knowledgeable collectors rarely post as the question we all ask ourselves WHY, whats the point? To get you balls busted, name and reputation dragged thru the mud buy some jerk that hides behind an anonymous name. Some of these people love to sling mud, My question is have they ever been to a show or just started collecting? Have they been in the weeds looking for vet/ vet family acquired items? Do they even own a reference book? So the attitude of many is piss on it. It happened to GDC.com now its only a reference site, rarely ever posted on.

JR Remember my ole sniff test,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,it works bro!

[Jazza]

Thanks to everyone who took the time to post and give their opinions.
Jim

[colt45s]

a blade that mint should have cross graining

[Steve T]

a blade that mint should have cross graining

The lighting on the blade doesn't show it too well but it has cross graining too, not too deep but its there.