Two Butchers

[JamesT]

Gentlemen

I would value your opinion on these butcher bayonets.

I don't know very much about butchers so any information you have would be most welcome.

Many thanks in advance

All the best

James


First up is an Alex Coppel saw back. Light sharpening on the blade but otherwise very little damage. A lot of greying and evidence of pitting on the scabbard.

[JamesT]

The muzzle wings (if that is the correct phrase) are much longer than the other bayonet above. Is that unique to saw backs or because this bayonet has a slightly different use to the other?

[JamesT]

next up a butcher with an absolutely perfect blade with no greying at all. A frog and a trodel. Is the trodel period? Would it be normal to wear it with a combat bayonet?

[JamesT]

Interesting double marked blade

Koeller & Co Solinger and Dürkopp Werke AG. Why would that be?

All comments and speculation are most welcome. I only collect Eickhorns so these will need a new home.

if you want more photos - just ask

pm or email jamest8@madasafish

Many thanks

[jwh44]

Hello

The "hihgh ear" muzzel ring is for 1st type 98/05 with standard blade or sawback blade.
1st type 98/05 have no flashguard and "high ear" muzzel ring.
2nd type 98/05 appeared in 1915 and have a flashguard and no "high ear" muzzel ring.

The troddel is from the period and I think but I am not sure it is a bavarian troddel. When you watch photos from WWI you can see a lot of soldier wearing bayonet and troddel.

Regards
Alain

[JamesT]

Thanks for that information.

And here is another question

This bayonet has a Butcher style handle, the quillion is smaller but the blade is totally different. Very slim. Can anyone tell me about the unit numbering?

Any ideas?

[jwh44]

Hello

This bayonet is a shortened 2nd type S98. The 1st type a grip made of only one woodden piece.
These bayonets are usually made without flashguard but some have a flashguard. Yours is one of these.
Some of these bayonets and their scabbard have been officially shortened and some other have been reissued after the breaking of the blade.
Here is a photo of this bayonet in its original length.
146. R. 4. 192 : 146 Infanterie Regiment, 4 kompanie, waffe 192.

Regards
Alain

[Reibert-Austria]

Interesting double marked blade

Koeller & Co Solinger and Dürkopp Werke AG. Why would that be?

...

One manufactured the blade, the other one put the bayonet together.

[Reibert-Austria]

Hello

The "hihgh ear" muzzel ring is for 1st type 98/05 with standard blade or sawback blade. ...

... and they came with a leather scabbard originally !

[JamesT]

Thanks Gentlemen - great information and great learning.

All the best James