HJ Knife solid red diamonds

[BrianK]

I have always thought red diamond knives were real for this simple common sense reason - why would someone bother to fake a lot of knives with completely different color diamonds, which would raise red flags right from the beginning?

[Mac 66]

I have always thought red diamond knives were real for this simple common sense reason - why would someone bother to fake a lot of knives with completely different color diamonds, which would raise red flags right from the beginning?

Brian,


Now thats "Common Sense" & very true

I totally agree with you.


Regards Mac 66.

[jp60]

solid reds

Restored RZM M7/66 listed on LST, diamonds are solid red listed as post war. Too bad.

[Mac 66]

Restored RZM M7/66 listed on LST, diamonds are solid red listed as post war. Too bad.

I emailed Paul H about this Restored M7/66 hj knife & he told me it was Restored with "Origional Parts", so i guess he knows deep down solid reds are genuine but keeps himself on the safe side on his website by saying there post war.

As i told you on my earlier post Do not believe everything you read & see on dealers websites.


Regards Mac 66.

[Victorman]

Brian,

What you mention again, has been discussed here... many times! Easier and cheaper production was most likely the reason.

Why did fakers made scabbards with lips if no originals have them? Same story as the full red diamonds!



Still we got no answer from the full red believers where all the "original" diamonds come from that are put into restored denazified HJ's? like the one that is currently for sale...

Maybe the sellers of separate diamonds have an answer to that question?

I noticed that Mac sells one from time to time on this very forum...


Best regards,

Victorman

[Mac 66]

[QUOTE=Victorman;6005735]

"What you mention again, has been discussed here... many times! Easier and cheaper production was most likely the reason".

"Still we got no answer from the full red believers where all the "original" diamonds come from that are put into restored denazified HJ's? like the one that is currently for sale..."







Herman,

Seems you no ZERO about enamel pins & how they were produced during the period, try doing some research before coming out with such statements,

Unresearched Quote by Victorman: "Easier and cheaper production was most likely the reason".

You will learn about this process in Jo Rivetts new book on TR badges & pins very soon, read it & soak it all into your stubborn brain, also try answering some of the questions i have put to you many times on this thread instead of making false stupid ignorant answers with smilie faces,

To answer your question: where all the "original" diamonds come from that are put into restored denazified HJ's?> From Origional hj knifes of course!


@ Herman: Heres a question for you: Where does all the Origional Translucent Diamonds come from to restore denazified knifes?, Maybe several of your hj knifes have been "Professionally Restored" at some point in there life & cannot be detected by an X-Ray !

[jp60]

red diamonds

hey, Mac you tell me not to believe the dealers, why should you believe his e-mail, "restored with original parts" and you guess he knows deep down solid reds are genuine? your guessing!, sounds like a used car salesmans wet dream.

[BrianK]

At the time the red diamond knives were first being collected, HJ knives were selling for hardly any money at all, so there would be no reason to fake them.

[Victorman]

[QUOTE=Mac 66;6005758]


To answer your question: where all the "original" diamonds come from that are put into restored denazified HJ's?> From Origional hj knifes of course!

QUOTE]


OK, excellent! We are almost there! Great!

I agree: the "original" replacement diamonds are coming from, as you stated "Original hj knifes of course!".

You only forgot two words : "bad quality"

Indeed, bad quality HJ knifes are losing their original diamonds, only to upgrade denasified HJ's of better quality! And that is why many of the bad quality HJ knifes end up with these full red diamonds coming -maybe from badges and- mostly from fakes.

Or do you believe that people break up fine quality pieces in order to upgrade bad quality?
Only if they believe (wrongly!) that the knife is a fake anyway; that is what happened to the PD Luneschloss HJ shown in the other post.

So... you finaly got it, Mac, congratulations!


To answer your question: I might have 1 or 2 professionally replaced diamonds in my collection (which I cannont detect with X-ray) and you might have -if you are really lucky!- 1 or 2 originals in your collection...

And that is why I research the features of all the different makers: so I know what grip plates they were using, which rivets,... etc.

"All original parts" and put together pieces really don't interest me, even if they are cheap!

I also never buy from people who sell parts, loose diamonds for example -what you do on this very forum!- because the chance that what these people are selling has been "fabricated" is very high...



For the rest, I have not left 1 question unanswered, I believe...

At least not any intelligent questions...

Best regards,

Victorman


PS: I am not going into discussion again on this topic! But if new arguments get posted -like the PD Luneschloss HJ- than count on me!

[BrianK]

Huh?

[RussellM]

Herman, can you please explain why 'Heer Flak's' near mint knife shown in the link has had its (no doubt near mint) diamond replaced with a solid red, and a fake scabbard?

Is it because someone thought it was fake??

Regards

Russ

[RussellM]

Herman, this is your statement, from Heer Flak's thread, on the Luneschloss knives:


"All HJ-knifes by this maker have some very typical features:

- Large obverse rivets, which are also unusually bigger on the reverse side.

- Fingerguard is quite short.

Because of these features (mainly the unusual rivets) the PD Luneschloss HJ-knifes are ofter mistaken for altered pieces or even considered postwar."


Saying that all knives by this maker have these features is a big statement.

What is the sample size you have used which leads you to this conclusion?

Regards

Russ

[Mac 66]

hey, Mac you tell me not to believe the dealers, why should you believe his e-mail, "restored with original parts" and you guess he knows deep down solid reds are genuine? your guessing!, sounds like a used car salesmans wet dream.

B.T.W, Paul Hogle is one of the most trusted dealers around & a good honest person, i have trust in what he says by private email.


Mac 66.

[Mac 66]

@ Herman aka Victorman!


Instead of you repeating yourself over & over again about what diamond came from which knife or whatever & coming out with Non Researched babble about solid red/opaque enamel try reading some very important posts on this thread to educate yourself a little first : http://www.hj-research.com/forum/f31...04/index8.html

Please No more baiting comments from the likes of you either!

[rlimike]

[QUOTE=Mac 66;6005758]

"What you mention again, has been discussed here... many times! Easier and cheaper production was most likely the reason".

"Still we got no answer from the full red believers where all the "original" diamonds come from that are put into restored denazified HJ's? like the one that is currently for sale..."







Herman,

Seems you no ZERO about enamel pins & how they were produced during the period, try doing some research before coming out with such statements,

Unresearched Quote by Victorman: "Easier and cheaper production was most likely the reason".

You will learn about this process in Jo Rivetts new book on TR badges & pins very soon, read it & soak it all into your stubborn brain, also try answering some of the questions i have put to you many times on this thread instead of making false stupid ignorant answers with smilie faces,

To answer your question: where all the "original" diamonds come from that are put into restored denazified HJ's?> From Origional hj knifes of course!


@ Herman: Heres a question for you: Where does all the Origional Translucent Diamonds come from to restore denazified knifes?, Maybe several of your hj knifes have been "Professionally Restored" at some point in there life & cannot be detected by an X-Ray !

IMHO … Jo knows badges for sure; his research is extensive and meticulous. I will definitely add his book to my library.