Could this sword be any good?

[kale010]

Hi Guys,

I am being offered this sword and would like some opinions on it.

Thanks in advance.
Bob

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[The Red Baron]

the engravings look very crude to me? (the eagle)

[lakesidetrader]

I like it. These engraved examples are desirable. Eickhorn Roon 1716, I believe.

[collecter]

Is the blade marked?,to me this looks like Eickhorns 'Roon' pattern.
John

[collecter]

I see mr Lakesidetrader beat me to it.My one and only sabre that I own is a 'Roon',mine is the varient with acorns along the cross guard instead of oakleaves like yours,going by Angolia's book on swords of germany there are four versions of this model.

[kale010]

Thanks for the replies guys. These are all the pictures I have. What would be the proper value for such a sword?

Bob

[LMG]

Nice desirable sabre,shame about the grip wire.

[SwordFish]

It's a Robert Klaas Nr 232 pattern. The saber is fine. Grip wire can be repaired without a full disassembly, though I would advocate leaving it as is. It's lacks nearly all of its original gold colored factory gilt, and the bare brass hilt is exposed.

A decent saber, but price would be the factor.


**** To clarify the "Roon" thing, Roon was a term developed and used by Eickhorn. However, in contemporary times,we've come to use the term generically for any pattern saber whose hilt is hand embellished, be it the NS eagle and swas, or the oak-leaf sprig motif. Keep in mind though Roon is an Eichorn TM in thier "field marshal" line of Heer officer/NCO sabers. the Eickhorn Nr 1716 series has a couple different patterns of the "Roon" as was mentioned. Additionally, there are different variations of each of the individual 1716s, which I believe is simply attributed to what Eickhorn had at hand at the time. For example, i've seen Roon patterns of the same model with subtle differences like the grip ferrule. I own all the different Eickhorn Roon 1716s patterns, and of them all, the example with the single, upright oak-leaf embellished obverse langet, is the most difficult to find.
Tom

[LMG]

There was another Klaas 232 posted on here a couple of days ago which u can use for comparison

Regards
Luke

[SwordFish]

Under closer examination, i'm not so sure it's a Klaas 232 after all. It has some interesting attributes with respect to the hilt embellishments. I'm going to continue to research this and if I come to a different conclusion, i'll certainly post it and correct my original assertion. What's interesting is that the obverse langet eagle is definitely the Klaas pattern, though there are other attributes to the rest of the hilt which is making me rethink it. It almost reminds me of an Alcoso. It's bizzare. It has many of the Klaas attributes, such as the fact that it's devoid of the grip/backstrap retention pins. I am quite certain though it's not an Eichorn.

So..stand by to stand by.

Tom

[kale010]

Under closer examination, i'm not so sure it's a Klaas 232 after all. It has some interesting attributes with respect to the hilt embellishments. I'm going to continue to research this and if I come to a different conclusion, i'll certainly post it and correct my original assertion. What's interesting is that the obverse langet eagle is definitely the Klaas pattern, though there are other attributes to the rest of the hilt which is making me rethink it. It almost reminds me of an Alcoso. It's bizzare. It has many of the Klaas attributes, such as the fact that it's devoid of the grip/backstrap retention pins. I am quite certain though it's not an Eichorn.

So..stand by to stand by.

Tom

Thanks for the reply and I'll await your definite answer as I am a beginner in this sword field

Everone else, also thanks for replying off course.

[LMG]

Is the blade marked at all?

[SwordFish]

I'm almost now certain it's an Alcoso. I've reviewed a handful of Klaas 232s to note thier variances (and there are a few), as well as an unattributed Alcoso pattern and it's variances. At this point, I really feel it's an Alcoso, and NOT the Klaas 232 pattern.

Sooo....if I were putting $$ down on a bet, i'd lay on ACS.