Hello: Help needed .. I looked at a RAD officers dagger with this Mfg. marking on its blade ? I have not seen this marking on a RAD officers dagger blade before . Has anyone seen one before ? If so ..Who is this mfg. ? Any further help would be greatly appreciated . Brent
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For me it looks like a Krebs Makers mark.Comment
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Krebs Mfg. Uncommon for a RAD officers Dagger ??
Hello: This marking has been Idenetified as a Krebs Mfg. marking ..Does nayone know if this is uncommon on a RAD officers dagger ?? BrentComment
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Common on ....Atwood daggers.
-wagner-Comment
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I too believe this to be a post war blade.Comment
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In reply to a PM:
This Krebs Logo marking has a lot of controversy even with many of us who have been around a long time with daggers. There are different versions of what it could be but for the most of us it has been seen on Atwood daggers in the 60's. A good quality blade found mostly of EM
RAD hewers. Also seen on the "Fat Man" version.
However there are a couple of collectors that have seen this marking out of a "Vet Grouping" of weird non-testbook hewers that were taken out of the factory at wars end...some with this Krebs style marking.
Is it a 3rd reich made blade? Did Atwood have them made up for his Parts Daggers? Or were the blades already happen to be there when Atwood discovered them?
I really can't say 100% it's a fake, although they we associated with Atwood's product. But it's harder to prove it as period. Most the ones found with this logo will not have a Motto on the face or will be on the wrong side.
Some don't have scabbards.
Let's see the rest of it.
-wagner-Comment
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Pictures of this RAD officers dagger
This dagger is in a uncleaned stateComment
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Serial #2 on the inside of this grip ?
Interesting to note ..I took the daggers grip plates off to find them numbered #2 in pencil on the back of each grip plate as well as noticed a #2 stamped into the body of this grip area . Would Atwood have gone to this trouble or could it be this is one that was mfg. near the wars end and completed by the factory ?? Further thoughts on this please ? BrentComment
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Krebs
Wags certainly did a great job in his summarization of the Krebs controversy. I, for one, have managed to find directly from veteran, examples of this mark on EM Hewers with motto variations that I believe were leftovers at the end of the war-what the veteran told me as his finding location in Solingen, Germany at a factory. He had six EM: 2 no mottos, 2 Fat Man's and a couple with motto on the reverse side in the original shipping wooden box from the war as I remember.
This is the first Leader that I have seen with this mark that has the quality you would find in a Fat Man and would be the quality from the TR period.
Most of the fakes with this mark are easily identified as they have poor fittings and bad plating: not like this one.
So, in my opinion, this is a good one from the fit and finish.
Can you show a shot of the blade from the top as to thickness?
Ron WeinandComment
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The pencil marks don't prove or disprove anything.
Atwood had employed many of the same people who did the work during the 3rd Reich in Solingen. Same like he did Paul Muller on damascus blades. Can you tell a Muller postwar made damascus Himmler letter opener to one he made during the war? If you can....please show me because I can't tell.
I only use this as a demonstration of the problem.
However before you put this dagger out as an original varient or the Baazar as a repro wait to see what some of the other guys who know their stuff will comment. We've debated this one before.
However unless this one has a Vet provenance with a Vet War Booty slip I think this one will get a
as an "Atwood". -JMO- 
Just saw Ron's post. Glad he chimed in.
-wagner-Last edited by Serge M.; 12-30-2009, 12:39 PM.Comment
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Picture of the thickness of this Krebs blade
Ron,
The thickness of this blade seems a little thiner & lighter wieght than a Alcoso mfg. blade I compaired it with ? Could this blade be one of a later war production and that would explain it as being not as thick ? BrentComment
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Another Picture of the motto on the blade
Here is another picture closer detail of the motto on the blade..Comment
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The fittings don't match late war as MOST of those were polished aluminum instead of silver plated. Workmanship is just too good to lump it with other Atwood fakes. It would match the workmanship of the Fat Man, however, so still no final determination. The only other question you ask yourself about these is: How many Krebs Leader's have we seen before and did these match this one.
I don't recall seeing ANY RAD Leader's by Krebs. I have seen several EM Hewers by Krebs and these are usually dated (the small 3 digit code on the blade by the Krebs TM), but the TM was different from the one shown.
So, IMO, these are either leftovers or late or post war assembled from leftover parts. Krebs just wasn't a RAD producer of large amounts.
Ron WeinandComment
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