KM dagger knot/portepee

[spnner]

Hi gents,can any one give me some advice on haw to spot a real km dagger knot and some pointers to whatch out for?
thank you spnner

[Wim Vangossum]

In general an original portepee is tight woven. KM's could be made from silvered thread which patinated black by time, or aluminium. Late examples from nylon.

Regards, Theo
Wim Vangossum

[Larry Lipps]

On most reproductions the fabric underneath the threads on the acorn glows under black light. Just don't get mean to the threads on an original knot trying to check this.

[spnner]

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Thank you guys most interesting points.
Just haw do you tell the differance between LW and a KM when they are both aluminium or silver thread???
regards spnner

[spnner]

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Hi guys
Haw long should a km knot measure please ???
anyone thanks in advance
spnner

[Larry Lipps]

KM knots are 43cm, those for the Luft. daggers are 23cm. It's not difficult to tell the difference between the two even without a ruler.

[spnner]

Thank you larry.
Can u give me some advice on haw to attatch a KM knot to my dagger , i am having diffulty in threading it thats why i asked.My knot is 43+cm naw you kindly told me.
thanks
spnner

[Stu W]

Hi guys,

Would not a true KM dagger portepee also have the circular fabric pattern at the end of the ball as opposed to the flat sheet type found in the Heer and Luftwaffe examples?

Regards,
Stu

[spnner]

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Hi guys this knot is it genuine or a fake?
I have checked it under a black light it dous not glow as sugested by larry lipps

[Stu W]

Further to my last...here is what I meant by the circular pattern.

http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...t=cat%27s+anus

Regards,
Stu

[Larry Lipps]

What Tom Wittmann referrs to as the "cat's anus" portepee is more often associated with Kriegs daggers, but it is certainly not unique to them.

[Stu W]

What Tom Wittmann referrs to as the "cat's anus" portepee is more often associated with Kriegs daggers, but it is certainly not unique to them.

Hi Larry,

Thank you for the clarification.

Regards,
Stu

[spnner]

Any one got any opinions on the pictures posted please.
spnner

[Stu W]

Hello,

It appears authentic to me. The reproduction ones I've seen and handled all were more loosely constructed. Yours appears to have a tight weave.

Regards,
Stu

[Skipper Greenwade]

Agreed...the portepee looks original

As for my advice on tying it on your dagger - be sure you have a lot of time and a lot to driink. The correct tie is very difficult to effect.

Best,
Skip