SA dagger by Ed Wüsthof?

[helmuthunter]

Very wise advice indeed Sweezz. Study it, learn from it, enjoy it, and pass it on as it it IMO. Put a few dollars more into a really nice example or "keeper", we were all here at the start and have bought and sold items and learnt from the experience and item to get the ONE were happy with. Welcome to collecting Karin! regards Johnno.

[kirk]

Hi Karin you could clean up the blade with some semi-chrome polish if you wish to make it have a bit of a shine but when a blades lost its crossgrain & been messed with abraisives such as wire wool, sandpaper ect its past its best to be honest. if i were you i would leave you dagger as is & think on selling it on for a much better example you would be proud off, but thats just my opinion...........Regards Scott.

sweezz;I agree with you.I would leave this dagger as it is,and sell or trade it one day for a nicer example.

[Krullies]

:-)

Hi Kirk, Helmut, Sweezz,

Thanks for the advice Purchasing a (new) dagger might be available to me in the very, very far future. I'm doing my utmost to be able to keep this dagger, and all the items I'm showing off here at Wehrmacht Awards, even though its state might not be perfect. I love this dagger.

However, just out of curiosity, what would I be asking for such a dagger? Please bear in mind its condition.

Very best regards,
Karin-Renate

[Krullies]

Coming to grips

Hello everyone!

The replacement grip arrived yesterday! May I please borrow your knowledge regarding this item? I haven't tried it for fitting (yet), because all of you are so very much against replacing the original grip. However, the new grip looks reasonably well to me. There are no splits, cracks or extreme damages. There are some dents here and there, which might be okay if it indeed is genuine and about 70 or so years old.

I've been scrutinizing SA daggers on the internet, and what struck me was the roundel on this new grip. This roundel is "bulged" upwards, while the roundel on the original grip is flat. How do I explain this? When I look at the SA roundel from the side, it is as if a little piece of glass is on top of it:


And a close up, see the reflection/shine of the roundel, as if a drop of water is on top of it:


Is that normal? I can't see that on any other SA dagger I can find pictures of. Also, please let me know how to pinpoint any difference between the original eagle, and the eagle in this new grip. I see none beside the fact that the area around the new eagle's head is a bit bigger, but that may be my inexperienced eye :


The colour on this new grip looks like the colour on most of the NSKK daggers I see on sale everywhere. But perhaps that colour differs between makers? Anyway, please let me know what you think about this grip?

Here are some more shots of it:





















Thanks in advance, and very best regards,
Karin-Renate

Hello Karin,
As I said before, I would leave your Wusthof just the way it is.
Unfortunately there is not much that I like the looks of on your new handle. It may be the angle of the photos, but first off, there is something about the overall shape that I do not like. The eagle, if original, is quite abused and the roundel has been replaced with what looks like a repro. You can see where a piece of the wood at the top has been replaced to allow this.
I would put the dagger in a place where you can admire it regularily, and be patient another better one will come along, maybe not right now, but it will. I have been collecting edged weapons for about 25 years and do not yet own one. The right one for the right price has not come along yet, (or I was too slow to decide to buy)
Ralph.

[Krullies]

Eeks!

Hi Ralp

...As I said before, I would leave your Wusthof just the way it is. ...

I won't touch the Wüsthof Thanks

...Unfortunately there is not much that I like the looks of on your new handle...

Well, it was too good to be true Ah well, as naïve as I am, I had it coming I guess Or perhaps it was the Wüsthof dagger whispering to me "don't alter me!" Anyway, if I'll ever be able to buy militaria, I sure need some more schooling

Thanks again Ralph! Your insights are very much appreciated.
Karin-Renate.

[Krullies]

this just in

Hi Ralph

...The eagle, if original, is quite abused and the roundel has been replaced with what looks like a repro...

I mailed the Griff-sender and asked about it. It was all in German, this is his reply:

"Den Dolch wo der Griff herstammte habe ich persönlich auseinander genommen! Bei dem war die Klingenspitze abgebrochen worden nach dem Krieg. Ich nehme immer Dolche selbst auseinander. Ich denke, so wie der Adler+das SA-Abzeichen eingearbeitet sind bei dem Griffstück, dass da noch nie jemand rum gemacht hat."

It translates a bit like; "I took apart the dagger that the grip came from myself. The tip of the blade was broken off after the war. I always take apart daggers myself. I think, the way that the eagle and SA roundel are worked into the grip, that no one ever messed with these."

Could it be that he is actually right? Maybe my pictures aren't good enough. You state that the eagle is quite beat up. It doesn't look that bad to me, though I know not a lot, obviously

Very best regards,
Karin-Renate

[helmuthunter]

Hi Karin, your SA dagger has been screaming at you, Dont touch me. The grip you have received is just terrible at best. Send it back if you can and dont alter your original SA ground Rohm dagger, much nicer just left the way it is. Regards Johnno.

[Mac 66]

Karin that grip you recieved looks bad i.e. Shape, eagle looks like a repro as does the SA button, please send it back for a refund asap!!, your dagger as it is imo is worth $400-$450max i know you really like this dagger but if you want a better example you could sell this one on & add $250 for a nice keeper for your collection, maybe worth thinking about?.....
Regards Scott.

[Krullies]

Hi Johnno

Hi Karin, your SA dagger has been screaming at you, Dont touch me. ...

Thanks I thought I heard something, now I know what A dagger in panic! I'll go comfort it and let it know it will remain as is

I'm even trying to modify a very nice cabinet for it. It must be the best SA/SS/NSKK dagger (these are all the same size as far as I know) presentation case I came across thus far. And it doesn't cost much either It will feel right at home in its wooden cabinet behind glass

Very best regards,
Karin-Renate

[kirk]

Karin I agree with the other members.Leave your SA dagger alone!!Send the grip you just purchased back for a refund.In the future if you want to ,sell or trade your dagger ,and get a nicer example.If you really like daggers ,buy a couple of good books and study them.It will help save you from making mistakes in the future.This is a very interisting and fun hobby.I hope you enjoy it for years to come..

[LH 600]

Very wise advice indeed Sweezz. Study it, learn from it, enjoy it, and pass it on as it it IMO. Put a few dollars more into a really nice example or "keeper", we were all here at the start and have bought and sold items and learnt from the experience and item to get the ONE were happy with. Welcome to collecting Karin! regards Johnno.

Im so agree with the others.
Keep the replacement grip away and put on the orginal grip

Here is a Ed Wusthof SA from my collection

The crossguard is : HE marked.

Regards LH 600

[Mac 66]

LH600 that is a minty SA by Wusthof you have, Karin this is how they look when minty..........Cheers Scott.

[Krullies]

O m g !



That is beautiful LH600 ... ... wow ... where did you find that?!

Gazing in awe,
Karin-Renate.

[LH 600]

That is beautiful LH600 ... ... wow ... where did you find that?!

Gazing in awe,
Karin-Renate.

Its a long story
A friend in my homeland buy this many years ago from a well known collector in the Usa. Then he keep it into his collection many years. Last year he sell it to me Im soo happy with it

....but i like the SS better

Regards LH