I picked up this well used and well butchered HJ knife for a song a couple of days ago. I'm pretty well out of my element with these, but I was wondering if the lack of an RZM mark on the blade points to the blade not being original?
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This is interesting.
Knives without RZM doesnt mean its bad. The early period examples didnt come with RZM, just with MM, because the RZM didnt exist when the production of knives started.
Early knives are also known for having motto (as well as transitionals) but that isnt the big point here, since there is little of the blade itself left. I want to point that early knives didnt come with ricasso, and if they did, it was a very low one.
Im also wondering about what you say, about it being a blade not original to this knife, because you can see that the joint of the grip isnt very good.
But, adding another blade would have ment taking the grip out and making a hard work, so im not sure about it after all.
Could you provide close up of both grips?
Regarding the marker, i think its from M7/32, Robt. Muller, Solingen-Merscheid. But again, not having the RZM doesnt mean it didnt have it, because maybe it was worned off.
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cool thats an ''oliver twist!'' certainly an orginal blade manufacturer, doesnt look a fantastic fit on the the blade but that could have been hidden by the leather buffer thats missing but still cool piece!Comment
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Good point there with the leather buffer, Mike.Originally posted by evilmike View Post
Would you say that the RZM was worn off, then?Comment
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i suspect its lost its motto at the very leastComment
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I,M PRETTY SURE THE RZM MARK WAS ETCHED ON IN THE EARLY STAGES OF THE RZM MARKING.....I HAVE A FEW HJS WITH HIGH RICASSO THAT THE RZM MARK HAS WORN OFF DUE TO BEING ETCHED ON AND NOT STAMPED DEEP INTO THE METAL....THE GAP BETWEEN THE RICASSO & HILT IS BECAUSE THE LEATHER BUFFER TAKES UP THIS SPACE WHEN IN PLACE.....CHEERS SCOTT.
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Here are some close up photos of the grip panels, as requested:Comment
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There's nothing specific about the blade that made me think it was a replacement, other than the RZM mark. Looks like it's been there a loooong time and it's very solid. Hard to tell with all of the faint grind marks all over the blade, but the motto may have been ground off at some point.
The hilt definately isn't zinc. (I can stick a magnet to it.)Comment
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Thanks for the pics.
Like the guys said, everything seems to be in order.
Nice salty HJ
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Interesting knife - the knives I've seen from this maker are marked Solingen-Merscheid, not the other way around as shown here? Perhaps it was written both ways? Also, the two lines of text are not parallel and it looks like a rough stamping. The middle line in the first 'E' of Merscheid is also missing - any thoughts?
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RussellLast edited by RussellM; 04-23-2008, 11:17 PM.Comment
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regarding missing letters etc or bits or even shallow stamps i wouldnt worry ive seen many hj's with poor stamping with some of it nice and deep and other bits well.... useless
as for the wording, probably a variation, maybe one was produced for a short period of time? the logo seems to be the only thing the manufacturer could change in the hj knife design so maybe they got creative as much as possible
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http://www.germanwarbooty.com/daggers%20d367.htm
one for Russ's version, i goggled it as a place name some list it one way, some the other... it makes sense to me to be Mr Rob Muller, the bunker, Merscheid in Solingen, Germany etc
but then we do the date 24/04/08 and those american chaps 04/24/08 whats that all about???
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Thanks for the link Mike. Agreed, probably just a poor strike as you say. I've got some poorly struck knives as well, quite common really.
Quite interesting that they used two different location versions. Yet another variation to collect...!
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