Originally posted by tlkissinger
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A piece of info worth remembering. Thanks. -
I want to double check...
are you guys saying this is a fake blade?
I do not see how...
thanksLast edited by helmetbuyers; 03-02-2008, 09:26 PM.Comment
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Here are more photos.... compared to another similiar bayonet I have... with the marker logo to the same side.Comment
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Sorry for the late reply, I was detained elsewhere & not able to post. I don't believe there is any problem with the blade itself, the Horster logo is nicely stamped & looks original. As Terry said, I've also seen Horster pieces with the logo on the obverse. I haven't seen as many as I'm sure he has but it's not a deal breaker. On the other hand, in my experience Holler obverse marked their pieces most of the time.
I think the question here isn't whether the blade itself is period, I feel it is. The question is whether the grip eagle is original to the piece. Many of us have seen post war attempts at embellishment by adding an emblem to a grip. Many are poorly done, some by obvious gluing. Some are done by removing the period rivets & affixing the emblem through the grip plates which was similar to the way it was done at the factory. Period pieces with grip emblems will often show a slight wiggle when the emblem is touched, I believe this is a result of the grip plate shrinkage. If this piece was redone postwar, it might mean the rivets were removed, the blade could also have been inserted backwards when the hilt was disassembled although I myself don't think the obverse marked blade is a red flag per se.
The grip eagle looks slightly off IMO, in size & color. Does it have the wiggle I referred to earlier?
I also think the rivets look questionable which would cast doubt on the grip eagle being period. It's possible that I'm being overly careful but I think nowadays one can't be too careful. Most of these pieces are better vetted with an in hand inspection. Another thing that might be good to do is try to get an X-ray of the grip to see how the emblem is fixed in place.Comment
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Double post, sorry.Comment
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Thanks for your comments...
The symbol is dead center.. and firm as a rock.
It has the appropriate wear to the high points and corners as if it was there since new.
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Robert,
If the emblem is firm, that inclines me to believe it's jammed into the grip plate & not necessarily pinned as an original would be. Is there any way you could get the grip X-rayed?Comment
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Robert,
I must concur with Billy for all of the reasons he has stated. A good rule of thumb is to be suspicious of any KS98 with grip insignia - especially if the insignia does not wiggle. Of course, period pieces were made with grip insignia, but are seldom encountered.
For the fakers, this is an easy way to double or triple the value of a common piece.Comment
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I am sorry...
But... this doesn't make sense to me.
If the eagle is on too tight... it must be bad?
I had many police dress stag bayonets in the past... including one now. I can't wiggle the eagles on those either.
Also... would it even make sense to fake a bayonet like this... just to have the maker facing the wrong side?
The bayonet would have been completely reassembled from parts to make this mistake. You can clearly see the rivets were not buggered post war.
Use an X-ray? How about pliers? After I break it... then we will know for sure if it was real.
The comments seem to indicate that these exist... but... mine must be fake... since they are hard to find?
I had over 125 daggers at one time, not including 100 more that I sold or traded over the years.
I can tell if something was screwed with.Last edited by helmetbuyers; 03-02-2008, 10:24 PM.Comment
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At the SOS show there was a dealer with many dress bayonets with all kinds of grip emblems. Were they real????????? Well I know that 19 years ago I bought one from him and it turned out to be a post war addition. Did he know?????????. I think there has been a lot of dress bayonets that have been dicked (screwed)
with and that makes a lot of us very cautious when these appear. I am not saying yours is bad, and if I had it in hand I may not still know. There are a few people in this hobby that would be able to tell you. If you go to any shows, take it with you to get opinions or if you live close to other collectors see what they think. Sorry I can't say one way or another.
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