SA dagger: please discuss

[Michael Fay]

http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...d.php?t=254375

Hello I have this up in the estand. And I have been asked to have it discussed. Please lets have it discussed.
I myself, dont know what is wrong with it, and bought it as it was represented as a good one to me. I am ready to learn.
Thanks, Michael

[Stu W]

Parts dagger?

Hello Michael,

As you have asked I will offer that in my opinion this is a parts dagger. The individual parts appear authentic but the fit (or lack thereof) indicates to me that they were not all original to the same piece.

Regards,
Stu

[Michael Fay]

thanks

hello Stu,
thanks, I will be happy to accept your take on this dagger. That would explain the most obvious fact that it IS ill fitting, as I hoped the pix would show clearly. I shall make this explicit on the estand now.
Thanks, Michael

[SwordFish]

Im only going to post this one photo. There are significat issues with fit, all the way around. This typically is indicitive of a parts dagger. I cannot and would not attribut any spacing issues to grip shrinkage on this one.

Look how the tang is visible through both the ricasso/tang, between the crossguar and uppfitting/scabbard throat. Big issue.

The list goes on where I am suspect. I would not consider myself and expert and I hope I am proven wrong in this case. But I don't really think that I am.

Regards,
T

[Michael Fay]

thanks

thanks Swordfish,
So I will say, I believe it is most likely a Parts dagger. And So, I am selling a parts dagger, with all the possible negative drawbacks that a parts dagger may entail. Who wants to buy my parts dagger?
I am heartened that my photos stood out clear enough to elucidate your salient and erudite points. I was trying to show this gap of course.
Cheers, Michael

[RussellM]

The poor fit certainly indicates a parts piece. However, I notice that the lower crossguard has been put on the wrong way around - the gau stamping should be to the reverse of the blade, not the motto side. Changing this around may make a difference to the fit, probably worth a try. It doesn't look like the scabbard is original to the dagger due to a bow between the upper scabbard fitting and the lower crossguard, but looks as though it may have taken a hit, pushing it down in the centre area which may have caused this. Someone's had a go at the eagle as well, either trying to gouge it out, or it may have been replaced.

Regards
Russell

[Michael Fay]

The poor fit certainly indicates a parts piece. However, I notice that the lower crossguard has been put on the wrong way around - the gau stamping should be to the reverse of the blade, not the motto side. Changing this around may make a difference to the fit, probably worth a try. It doesn't look like the scabbard is original to the dagger due to a bow between the upper scabbard fitting and the lower crossguard, but looks as though it may have taken a hit, pushing it down in the centre area which may have caused this. Someone's had a go at the eagle as well, either trying to gouge it out, or it may have been replaced.

Regards
Russell

Hello Russell, that was helpful. As the pommel nut is only finger tight I turned the lower cross guard around--- But the spacing remains anyway. Parts dagger it is.

[SwordFish]

Michael, I am not trying to attack you or your piece. And I certainly hope you didn't take my brevity and use of visuals to be rood. I assure that was not the intention. It is merely to illustrate the areas of concern and why I, me, personally would pass on her. The use of visuals are monumentally improtant in educating some of the newer and youger members. I also had receiev a privat message questioning if I had seen the problems he had seen. He's a newer collector and can gain knowledge form examples like this. I was not trying to make a point, merely illustrate that there are some problems with the piece as it specifically relates to spacing and fitting. The visual should illustrate the space, plain and simple.

Let me say that if I offended you with photo of your dagger attached- I'm sorry. I had no intention hurt or belittle you piece. Only to explain what, where, and why these incosistencies exist. I've provided plausible alternatives to move the dagger. They are listed don below and also the PM I sent you. You just have to decide what the best course is.

Now, if that pommel is snug, dont grab a wrench to tighten her. If it aint gonna fit, it aint gonna fit.

You may want to part her out and list individual pieces on ebay. I;ve sold groups of part on thier site and did very well as opposed to putting the parts dagger, back together, and selling that way. Collectors know what they're buying....usually. There is no shame in taking it down to parts, if you feel that you've purchased a parts dagger. At tha point, unless there is some emotional attachment ot it, go for and make a littl $$.

The only issue I have is when someone atempts to sell an obvious fake as legit ofr someone sells a parts piece without disclosing it. Of course this assumes intent. The seller inteded to deceive the buyer of that critical part of information. Now on the other hand, should the seller not know his piece is a reproduction piece or a parts dagger, no harm no foul until it gets called out, debate transpires, a concensus is reached and the owner is subsequently informed and educated. So once its been brought to lite, if someone on the board want to buy her in the shape shes in, then it's alllll goooood.

The boards e-stand is an excellent sales medium. We typically don't deal with frauds, only here and there, not grequent at all. We also hae a COC which ensures the piece is period and legit. Naturally a day or 3 for research and inspetion are included in the sale. Refunds, minus shipping are also the standard here. Ive had to return items inthe past, and ive had items returned to me in the past. Its a great place to share, trade and sell in this type of hobby. Its become better and better over the last 4 years. Good prices, authenticity guarantee, and a way to meet new frinds.


Goon night friends. That typtophy from barbarically easting a mass of turcky is really kicking my butt. It 0130 here in California.

Take care and good luck. T

[Michael Fay]

thanks Swordfish

Thanks Swordfish. No worries.
I really was trying to show the gap where the blade and crossguard did not actually fit. So when you diagramed it--it was kind of a compliment as digital photos are not my forte.
Also, as to the pommel nut, I only tightened it with my fingers till I met resistance.
Thanks,
Michael

[SwordFish]

10-4. Check the rating on the blade. It may verywell be a rare or difficult to find piece. Its called the MSAAR for SAs.

Dont undestimae the sales potential of parted down dagger. I think if you did such, you be able to rake in the $500 you are asking. Maybe even more. Just an idea.

Good luck with the sale and Happy Holidays

[Colorado]

Hi Michael - Got your PM. You are a Gent for posting here so quickly after my estand question.

There is not too much to add to what is said. It does look completely like a parts piece with a grip that might be recently laquered.