HJ Dagger opinions please!

[Brandenburger]

Hi,

I personally don't like the look of this knife, but I will ask just to see what others think. I've never seen the diamond on the scabbard before either? There are several flags I'd look for, for a copy, but I'm no expert.

http://i178.photobucket.com/albums/w.../ebayknife.jpg

Regards
Tom

[Santi]

Tom, i havent seen one like this one before neither.
The blade of the knife has a strange shape
And the diamond in the scabbard?? Weird
And the silver wash....doesnt look good
I dont know if this one could be a very early knife, when the HJ knife was not standarized and different blade shapes can be seen, or a Youth knife from another country outside the Reich but i doubt it, my feelings are that this one is a fake.

[Lassi]

Hi IMO the knife looks originla to me, but I******180;m not 100 sure on the diamond. I******180;m not an expert on the subject and this type is rather rare. Please take some more pictures or get some from the seller?

I hope some one will help you out


Cheers
Lassi

[Brandenburger]

Hi,

Thanks to you both, the women who wants to sell it on ebay(! lol) says her roomate father got it serving with the "Fighting 69th", which in itself seems dubious to me, as they were, I thought, only active in the pacific during WWII??

Your right Tiger89 it doesn't look good enough quality to be TR, the blade bolster bit (just above the handle on the blade) looks too 'thin' to be right. The silver wash as you point out, is poor.

Lassi, thanks for the info, surely if it were an early knife it would be engraved/etched with Blut Und Ehre and a makers mark (both of which it is apparently lacking)? The blade also looks too sharp.pointed to me, like a bowie style, rather the the more bolo style they usually have.

I always thought that most daggers with the diamond on the scabbard were 70s/80s rip-offs (IMHO mostly fakes/fantasy)? You know, so rare that they are almost never seen. This knife has too many 'flags' to me. The quality is the main 'flag' though, it just doesn't seem good enough to be a standard issue or even a PP piece.

Thanks again to you both, I will endevour to source a couple more photos, but I feel I'm not in the ladies good books because she didn't want to hear it may be a copy, apparently it came to her roommate in the 70s when her father died, and to quote "It definitely from WWII, my roommates dad brought it home with him after serving with the Fighting 69th Squadron [Squadron???]. He died back in the early 1970's, way before any real interest in repros or internet scams." Which in itself is not wholly true, German reproductions stretch back to around the early 1900s, with TR badges etc. being copied immediately after the war had ceased to make souvenirs for GI's etc.

Tom

[Lassi]

Hi,

Thanks to you both, the women who wants to sell it on ebay(! lol) says her roomate father got it serving with the "Fighting 69th", which in itself seems dubious to me, as they were, I thought, only active in the pacific during WWII??

Your right Tiger89 it doesn't look good enough quality to be TR, the blade bolster bit (just above the handle on the blade) looks too 'thin' to be right. The silver wash as you point out, is poor.

Lassi, thanks for the info, surely if it were an early knife it would be engraved/etched with Blut Und Ehre and a makers mark (both of which it is apparently lacking)? The blade also looks too sharp.pointed to me, like a bowie style, rather the the more bolo style they usually have.

I always thought that most daggers with the diamond on the scabbard were 70s/80s rip-offs (IMHO mostly fakes/fantasy)? You know, so rare that they are almost never seen. This knife has too many 'flags' to me. The quality is the main 'flag' though, it just doesn't seem good enough to be a standard issue or even a PP piece.

Thanks again to you both, I will endevour to source a couple more photos, but I feel I'm not in the ladies good books because she didn't want to hear it may be a copy, apparently it came to her roommate in the 70s when her father died, and to quote "It definitely from WWII, my roommates dad brought it home with him after serving with the Fighting 69th Squadron [Squadron???]. He died back in the early 1970's, way before any real interest in repros or internet scams." Which in itself is not wholly true, German reproductions stretch back to around the early 1900s, with TR badges etc. being copied immediately after the war had ceased to make souvenirs for GI's etc.

Tom

Hi Tom please take a look at this thread:

http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...light=DJ+knife

In post 21 member daggeraddict post a few DJ knifes. Try to ask him via PM or e-mail mayby he can help you out.

Keep us updated
Cheers
Lassi

[Brandenburger]

Hi Lassi,

I just PM'd him.

Thanks,
Tom

[Ron Weinand]

This type was, indeed, original to the TR period. I have found three directly from the WWII veteran who got it in Germany during the war. I believe these are late war versions of the HJ knife and are real.
Ron Weinand
Weinand Militaria

[Santi]

Hi Tom please take a look at this thread:

http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...light=DJ+knife

In post 21 member daggeraddict post a few DJ knifes. Try to ask him via PM or e-mail mayby he can help you out.

Keep us updated
Cheers
Lassi

Oh yes!!!
I forgot it could be a DJ knife!

[jancz3rt]

Hehe

I also thought of a DJ knife at first. Am I right in supposing this was made at a later stage using a DJ knife blade along with the HJ diamond or was it just a DJ knife with the diamond added at a later stage?

Have a look here: http://www.wwiidaggers.com/23339.htm

http://www.wwiidaggers.com/DJ.htm

JAN

[Wim Vangossum]

I don't feel comfortable with the term "DJ-knife". But I share the opinion that in the late state of war, their were new variations of the HJ-knife who where not conform to the normal rzm-regulations. For example there existed bagged HJ-knives from WKC with completly differnent shape of the blades. I also believe that the knive from the picture belong to that mid-war period.

Regards, Theo

[Skipper Greenwade]

The DJ knife is about two-thirds the size of a standard HJ knife. While there is no frame of scale/reference in the photograph, the example pictured does appear to be an original DJ knife. They were produced both with and without the Jugend diamond on the scabbard.

More photos would help, but it certainly resembles the one in my collection.

Best,
Skip

[Wim Vangossum]

The DJ knife is about two-thirds the size of a standard HJ knife. While there is no frame of scale/reference in the photograph, the example pictured does appear to be an original DJ knife. They were produced both with and without the Jugend diamond on the scabbard.

More photos would help, but it certainly resembles the one in my collection.

Best,
Skip

Hi, mister Greenwade

I know you are an expert on daggers, and for a long time now (I have your book from the late eighties). So it is correct that there were DJ knives? Until know I was a non believer of that. I will be turn into a believer but then is my next question: is there any prove for it? Are there pictures from DJ-boys wearing this knife? Are there regulations that survived the war about wearing this DJ Knife?
I ask these questions in the hope that you have a lot more files and information then I have

Sincerely, Theo