SA Full Rohm Help Please.

[GregK]

Hi there,


No need to be sorry. I haven't put down money yet so there's no harm done. I have zero experience with these particular daggers and need to know for sure one way or another if it's good or not. Can you elaborate on why you think it's bad? If it does turn out to be a bad one then I'd like to have details to present to the seller. I'd also like to hear other opinions if possible.

Many thanks in advance.

Cheers,
Greg

[Wizard]

Hi Greg,
There are many mistakes and I would not post them in public for the fakers to see. However, the very apparent mistake is the "z" in "herzlicher." (sp?) The faker's template didn't have enough space and they couldn't finish the "loop" at the bottom.

This one is easy. My advice, stay away from E Pack Rohms.

[schönbeck]

not the best dagger in the world, quite worn, but compare....Also not that the mm is much closer to the crossguard. Oh yes it's weapon oil on the blade...makes it a little fuzzy.

[Ron Weinand]

I can't say for sure without examining it in person, but it has all the bells and whistles for a real one from what I can see. Pack is faked, but this one doesn't look off to me.

Ron Weinand
Weinand Militaria

[Wizard]

Mr. Weinand, of course everything else looks good. Only the inscription is fake. You don't see what I am referring to in my previous post?

[Ron Weinand]

I see, but don't agree.

[Wizard]

Mr. Weinand, please elaborate. What evidence do you have to support this inscription as genuine?

[Ron Weinand]

Better yet Wizard, what is your source of information and what makes you believe it is bad. Templates are variances and not every Rohm is the same, especailly among manufacturers. While there are many Packs that are easily IDed as fake, Pack made more Rohms that most manufacturers and they are common, about in line with Eickhorn on numbers.

So, while fakes are out there, there are many originals.

Ron Weinand
Weinand Militaria

[patrice]

I hate to disagree, though it would be easier for us to tell if we had it in our hands, but it is FAKE.................in my opinion.

There are many red flags that we could talk about but would rather not. However, it should be easier to tell the differences when compared to this original Rohm inscription.

Pat

[patrice]

Close up !

[patrice]

I was asked by 2 members to take out my close up pics of my Rohm blade.
They both felt that my pictures were too descriptive and it gave too many hints on how to spot a fake blade.
In any case, I've agreed for those concerned.

[Colorado]

Are blade age imperfections known to skip across dedications? I am looking at the "R" in Rohm. If the "R" was not there it would look like an small oval age spot in that location. Now, it looks like it starts on either side, then there is a gap. I see it in other spots too.

[patrice]

Jeff, good analysis and that's one of many red flags on this inscription.

Another easy one to spot, is the space gap between the last letter of the "T" in Ernst and the first letter of the "R" in Roehm. Look how different the gap is between mine and the E.Pack...............not quite the same and that's a common flaw on fakes.
The "R" is also too high as compared to the "T", both letters, though never straight in line, shouldn't however be morew horizontal to one another.

Another obvious red flag, is to compare the "R" in the name Ernst.
Also very much different from an original one. These are some of the most obvious flaws but there are at least 6 more.
Stay away from this one, it is a complete FAKE.

[CRAIGGOODWIN]

here's my partial Rohm

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[Wizard]

Mr. Weinand,
You really can't back up or prove your statement that this Rohm inscription is real. That is why you can't answer my question, and chose to turn the question on me.

Ok, I will tell you why this is fake. Take a piece of paper and put it along the lowest point of the inscription. Notice that the fakers ran out of room when they didn't realize that the "z" is lower than all the others. Tell me, is this the quality you'd expect from the manufacturers?

Rohm inscription is a facsimile of Rohm's signature. IT IS NOT OPEN TO INTERPRETATION. Yes, there are variations amongst makers, but making blatant mistakes, along with other differences, are not acceptable.