Help : SS fuhrerDegen

[Kurt_Menliff]

Hello to all :

I am offered the following sword but the photos are quite bad:

I have a few leads for an opinion but would love to have yours as much as possible, given the so so photos ...hopefully new ones with no flash natural light should showup

Here they are : BATCH 1

Many thanks in advance

K.

[Kurt_Menliff]

2nd batch :

Manythanks

K.

[DALE ELLIS]

It looks alright from the photos but you really need clear close-ups or a hands on inspection. The knots looks good but I doubt if it is original to the degen shown and I wouldn't pay extra for the numbers on the blade. Also Krebs usually had a white washer and SS-Kulturzeichen stamps on both the D-guard and scabbard lip.

[Frogprince]

It looks alright from the photos but you really need clear close-ups or a hands on inspection. The knots looks good but I doubt if it is original to the degen shown and I wouldn't pay extra for the numbers on the blade. Also Krebs usually had a white washer and SS-Kulturzeichen stamps on both the D-guard and scabbard lip.

Same opinion, the scabbard might have had some repainting? FP

[tobau]

It looks alright from the photos but you really need clear close-ups or a hands on inspection. The knots looks good but I doubt if it is original to the degen shown and I wouldn't pay extra for the numbers on the blade. Also Krebs usually had a white washer and SS-Kulturzeichen stamps on both the D-guard and scabbard lip.

Well said.
But for exact opinion we need better pics from all.

[ENGLISH BOB]

Much better pics are needed and the scabbard certainly looks to have been repainted.
Cheers
Bob

[Kurt_Menliff]

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OK, my opinion : This is a frankenstein with 60 % good stuff

Portepee is a copy

Washer should be white or "mistreated/used to be " white > dunno here.

SS roundel looks too bright compared with the handle which, looks like original nickel silver !! Scabbarc couldn't tell

The ferrule + pommel, handguard and blade are probably original

Grip + washer and scabbard and subject to caution ...

Worst is that ugly fake N° ...

Any other opinion ?

Best Regards

K.

[ENGLISH BOB]

I think it has more going for it than against it
I'll start with the scabbard,defo repaint and not very well done,drag is the sweated on type which is what you want to see as opposed to screws,,,yes i know there were a few originals with screws so that in itself is not a guarantee of originality but i prefer to see this method of attachment.

The blade is a good PD krebs, it has that going for it..
I can't comment on the serial number,thats for the more experienced collector of these items than I.
I don't like the washer,it should be white as stated, though it could be a post war replacement if the degen has had a hard life.
The grip does not look like a reworked police version though the runes could possibly be replaced but appears to fit well and shows no chips which would be a givaway to a messed with grip..
The pommel nut look s fine,maybe needs to be unscrewed to see if the cap inside is still in place,that would answer a few questions.
S.S. runes to scabbard throat and D guard look fine also..

I can't comment on the sword knot,never owned one

I'll say good apart from the numbers stamped on the blade IMHO

Cheers
Bob

[Craig H]

I don't care for the portepee either .

[The Red Baron]

I don't care for the portepee either .

[Frogprince]

I think it has more going for it than against it
I'll start with the scabbard,defo repaint and not very well done,drag is the sweated on type which is what you want to see as opposed to screws,,,yes i know there were a few originals with screws so that in itself is not a guarantee of originality but i prefer to see this method of attachment.

The blade is a good PD krebs, it has that going for it..
I can't comment on the serial number,thats for the more experienced collector of these items than I.
I don't like the washer,it should be white as stated, though it could be a post war replacement if the degen has had a hard life.
The grip does not look like a reworked police version though the runes could possibly be replaced but appears to fit well and shows no chips which would be a givaway to a messed with grip..
The pommel nut look s fine,maybe needs to be unscrewed to see if the cap inside is still in place,that would answer a few questions.
S.S. runes to scabbard throat and D guard look fine also..

I can't comment on the sword knot,never owned one

I'll say good apart from the numbers stamped on the blade IMHO

Cheers
Bob

A fair assessment I think, the TM looks a little worn vs. the numbers, and while I can't see the numbers at a good angle/lighting I suspect that they are later and the knot already covered. FP

[tobau]

Condition,restauration and not standard washer outside here,the Sword forself is a good one!
Portepee must hold in Hands!
Look inside the pommel and you will see truth!

[tobau]

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