Gg600

[Val]

Hi,

Can anyone show me the images of the german GG600 generator? Thanks!

[jir]

Didn´t you mean CG 600? This is written on Ladetafel E... On Ladetafel E is input 15Volt and 15Volt is made by generator LG650. Or generator LG600 ax = 12Volt.

I don´t also know this type of Maschinensatz.

[Val]

Didn´t you mean CG 600? This is written on Ladetafel E...

GG600 is mentioned in US manual TM-E 30-451

http://www.ibiblio.org/hyperwar/Germany/HB/HB-8.html

Search for the "Engine generator (GG600)".

It could be CG 600, but on the Ladetafel E is also written EG 400 and in turn i don't know any of this generator, however there is Funkwürfel GG400. Then again, US manual is full of errors... But then again, in his Kfz 17 thread Funksammler mentioned, that GG 600 is part of that truck.

So, was there ever GG 600, haven't found any more reference of it. Or are those acronyms GG, EG, CG interchangeble?

PS. Nice image if the Ladetafel E.

http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...d.php?t=678919

[Funksammler]

I thougth that -
GG stands for Gleichstrom Generator (designed for direct supply of equipment + topping up of batteries)
LG stands for Ladestrom Generator (designed for battery charging, typically with slightly higher DC voltages either 15 or 65 Volts, with Ladetafel E or C respectively)
WG stands for Wechselstrom Generator (designed for supplying mains AC voltage)

Apart from these, the different engine sizes were indicated by a type letter: B, C, D, E, F etc. I think the GG400 is the B type engine, the LG650 has a C type etc. Likewise the more specialised C100 has a C type engine with a High and Low Voltage Generator (HNG100/58) for the 100 W.S.

regards,

Funksammler

[Val]

I thougth that -
GG stands for Gleichstrom Generator (designed for direct supply of equipment + topping up of batteries)
LG stands for Ladestrom Generator (designed for battery charging, typically with slightly higher DC voltages either 15 or 65 Volts, with Ladetafel E or C respectively)
WG stands for Wechselstrom Generator (designed for supplying mains AC voltage)

Apart from these, the different engine sizes were indicated by a type letter: B, C, D, E, F etc. I think the GG400 is the B type engine, the LG650 has a C type etc. Likewise the more specialised C100 has a C type engine with a High and Low Voltage Generator (HNG100/58) for the 100 W.S.

Thanks. But what the EG stands for?

I have noticed, that lot of german generators have basically the same two-stroke engine - DKW /Auto Union C1, KL-100 or C100, different are only the generators - HNG 100/58, WG570a, LG800, LG800c (those two have different voltage), LG650, also have seen marked like LG650/59. Those all share the same form-factor/size, only difference is the generators. And they are also designated by generator part, not the engine part. BTW, Kfz 17 seems to have also the same form-factor generator in the back. So that mystical GG600 must also be part of that family that runs on the DKW C1/KL100/C100? Is that GG600 mentioned in the Kfz 17 manual?

[Val]

Here is little bit about those DKW C1/KL100/C100 engines if anyone is interested and also seen one generator of this family.

http://dkw-nz.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=15&t=241

Funkwürfel GG400 is different.

But since on the Ladetafel E is written EG400 oder CG600, those generators must exist. How then they look like?

[Funksammler]

Here is little bit about those DKW C1/KL100/C100 engines if anyone is interested and also seen one generator of this family.

http://dkw-nz.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=15&t=241

Funkwürfel GG400 is different.

But since on the Ladetafel E is written EG400 oder CG600, those generators must exist. How then they look like?

I think it is just inconsistant naming that is going on, the "Würfel" is called GG400 or Gl.Erz. 400b (Gleichstrom Erzeuger), I think this got abbreviated to EG400 again....

The CG600 must be refering to a "C" type engine with a 600 Watt 15V generator.

regards,

Funksammler

[Val]

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The CG600 must be refering to a "C" type engine with a 600 Watt 15V generator.

Thanks, then it should definitely belong to that "Kleinmaschinensatz C" (KL.M.S.C. written on the deckel) family.

[Funksammler]

Here is a little movie of my GG400 starting up and loading:

http://vid672.photobucket.com/albums...ps2adf9418.mp4

regards,

Funksammler

[Funksammler]

I had a look through some vehicle manuals, they mention generators like the EG400 and EG600, but few pictures. The only picture comes from the manual of the Kfz 17/1. This shows a schematic of a setup with the radios placed outside the vehicle powered by an EG400.

<a href="http://s672.photobucket.com/user/Funksammler/media/15_zps9bcc4757.jpg.html" target="_blank"><img src="http://i672.photobucket.com/albums/vv86/Funksammler/15_zps9bcc4757.jpg" border="0" alt=" photo 15_zps9bcc4757.jpg"/></a>

it clearly mentions the EG400 (or CG600).

The photograph shows the same setup:

<a href="http://s672.photobucket.com/user/Funksammler/media/14_zps2397862b.jpg.html" target="_blank"><img src="http://i672.photobucket.com/albums/vv86/Funksammler/14_zps2397862b.jpg" border="0" alt=" photo 14_zps2397862b.jpg"/></a>

The "EG400" shown on the picture is clearly not the square "Würfel" but a slightly longer unit. I believe that the EG400 is probably the pre-war forerunner of the GG400. It probably had the same specifications, but it was not yet as cleverly "miniaturised" as the GG400. I vaguely remember having seen a slightly larger generator unit some years ago, this must have been an EG400.

The CG600 was probably another early pre-war unit, which probably had the same functionality as the GG400, but with more power from a C type motor. This was probably discontinued, with the even more powerful LG850 taking its place.

The same Kfz 17/1 manual shows the generator as a charging generator for the Kfz 17/1:

<a href="http://s672.photobucket.com/user/Funksammler/media/12_zpsa199c797.jpg.html" target="_blank"><img src="http://i672.photobucket.com/albums/vv86/Funksammler/12_zpsa199c797.jpg" border="0" alt=" photo 12_zpsa199c797.jpg"/></a>

I replicated this setup with my GG400 and the Kfz 17. It worked quite well and the GG400 provides ample power to charge the Kfz 17's batteries when stationary:

<a href="http://s672.photobucket.com/user/Funksammler/media/DSC06668_zpsa415bb1e.jpg.html" target="_blank"><img src="http://i672.photobucket.com/albums/vv86/Funksammler/DSC06668_zpsa415bb1e.jpg" border="0" alt=" photo DSC06668_zpsa415bb1e.jpg"/></a>

Note the storage box marked "Ladekabel" in front of the generator, this stores the loading cable when not in use. The loading cable is connected to the + and - terminals of the generator and connects to the "Schaltkasten (Fu) b" inside the vehicle (the loading cable plugs into the central socket):

<a href="http://s672.photobucket.com/user/Funksammler/media/DSC06670_zps308a4238.jpg.html" target="_blank"><img src="http://i672.photobucket.com/albums/vv86/Funksammler/DSC06670_zps308a4238.jpg" border="0" alt=" photo DSC06670_zps308a4238.jpg"/></a>

When you watch closely, you will see that the instrument has a white indicator on the "Laden" side, indicating that the charging current is flowing towards the batteries:

<a href="http://s672.photobucket.com/user/Funksammler/media/DSC06672_zpsccbd94c1.jpg.html" target="_blank"><img src="http://i672.photobucket.com/albums/vv86/Funksammler/DSC06672_zpsccbd94c1.jpg" border="0" alt=" photo DSC06672_zpsccbd94c1.jpg"/></a>

regards,

Funksammler

[Val]

Thanks, Funksammler! I noticed also, that in different manuals there are
EG400 oder CG600 written. Let hope that some better images turns out...
Maybe Tornfute has some info?

[Funksammler]

Here finally a picture of a CG600:

<a href="http://s672.photobucket.com/user/Funksammler/media/CG600_zpse4144e10.jpeg.html" target="_blank"><img src="http://i672.photobucket.com/albums/vv86/Funksammler/CG600_zpse4144e10.jpeg" border="0" alt=" photo CG600_zpse4144e10.jpeg"/></a>

This comes from D 804/4 describing the Kfz 61 equipped with a 100 W.S. and L.W.E.a.

It shows the generator with the cover fitted, interestingly it does not have the typical thick bottom containing the exhaust damper of the "C" type generators, so this was probably again a pre-war design that was superseded soon after. The D 804/4 indicates that the instead of the CG600, the C100 can also be supplied.

regards,

Funksammler