Complete FU 5/2 tank set

[Funksammler]

In itself the UKW.E.e and 10 W.S.c are not the rarest of German sets, a fully cabled up one is a relatively rare sight.

Finding the cables was a real challenge, especially those that connect the transmitter and receivers to the intercom. It has taken quite some time, but it is slowly coming together:

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Apart from the power cables, each unit needs a two pin angled connector for the antenna connection, a special splitter cable connects the transmitter to the two receivers; the 10 W.S.c and Ukw.E.e I are connected via a short cable and an extra two pin connector. All these connections use the "Unverwechselbar" type of connector, with one thick and one thin pin.

Each unit is also connected via a two pin connector to the K.Pz.nr. 20. These connectors are slightly different from the antenna connector as they are "Verwechselbar": both pins are the same diameter. That means that the connectors can plugged into the sockets facing up or down. Each cable has a different length (55, 75 and 100 cm) to allow for the different distance from each unit to the K.Pz.nr.20

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I am planning to complete the installation as it was fitted to the Panther, I am hoping to be able to copy the outer mounting frame from a local collector. I will rig it up with working intercom, albeit without the "Schleifringübertrager" and "Turmanschlußkasten" as I am unlikely to locate those.

Having the outer frame should make the setup a bit less messy, as the frame has cable holders to neatly run the cables around the units. The frame also has a mounting bracket for the K.Pz.nr.20, storage for the lids of the units and a storage box for a headset/microphone attached to it. Oh well, probably another few years....

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[Nick Komiya]

Great to see it assembled as a complete system. I have the same and would very much like to set it up in a Panther outer frame like you are planning to do. If there are cost benefits for having them make two repro frames, I will glady participate for one.

[Val]

Nice!

The lower empfänger is luffwaffe Ukw.e.m?

[Funksammler]

Nice!

The lower empfänger is luffwaffe Ukw.e.m?

May have been at one point, it now has the standard frequency range of the Ukw.E.e. Perhaps the front plate was switched at some point, I do know that it has been in its current configuration for at least the last 50 years.....

regards,

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[Funksammler]

Great to see it assembled as a complete system. I have the same and would very much like to set it up in a Panther outer frame like you are planning to do. If there are cost benefits for having them make two repro frames, I will glady participate for one.

If and when I get a chance, not happening anytime soon I suspect.....

regards,

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[Dufleuve]

Impressive collection of "accessories" for the Fu5 set.
There are a few Panthers around to install it

Trying myself to complete the STUG III G, mostly missing the small panzerkasten.

http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...highlight=stug

[Tornfuté]

hello i suppose you use D1012/5 D1012/1 as reference for your future instalation , so the box on your display will be a Z23 , is it right ?
Usually the power cables are with straight connector for EUa1
and knie connector for sets . but in this display for powering at the same time the second ukwe e and the pz20 there is a special cable with a double
connector ( zwischenstecker ) . this cable is also used for frequency check Fr pruf b 2830 khz
on my double side by side mounting there is a place to hold the 2 covers when not fix to set , and there is a dummy bakelit holder for a 5 pins plug .
the 3 power supply are located right of "funker " , just above right track
cables will be fix to top of compartment ?
i have a box FU a i think it's for pencils as in liste there is " schreibunterlage "
there is also a Pz instrument for measuring antenna current ?
all questions have'nt yet answers
pierre

[Funksammler]

There is not a lot about the racks in the manual, I think even in the Panther installations there were variations. The rack that I know locally seems to be different from the one shown in the Spielberger book. Once I have the opportunity, I will measure and document all features of the local original one and use that as a reference.

I have a Fu a box as well, could be that it was used in Panzers, not sure where it was stored. I am also not yet sure what type of morse key to use, I have seen both the metal type base (same as in my Kfz 17) for the "Taste P" and the "Mäuschen" on it's bakelite base.

In the Panter the Umformer were indeed placed on the right of the radio operator in a special rack which had the three Umformer and the Z23 fuse box on it. I will probably also replicate this setup. Still have to restore my Z23 as it is not in very good condition.

The double connector used in the power supply was slightly different from the one used with the Frequenzfprüfer, the pin configuration is different and obviously the cable is longer.

I don't know of an extra instrument for the antenna current, the 10 W.S.c already has a built in one, so it is not realy nescessery.

regards,

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[Tornfuté]

you are right the double connector is same with freq prufer , but other side connector is different there is some small pictures in trenkle , we see that from the Platform with the 3 psu , cables are going down .
some panther variation , on regular tank , fu 5 fu 2 is on gear box
when it's an command tank the fu2 fu 5 is in the turret , and on the gearbox there is a 30 ws Mwec .

About antenna meter , 1012/1 ( Panther) says page 15 point 27 c
Zwischen antennenstab und antennefuss ein Antennenprufer ( PZ)
stekken . Das messinstrument des antennenprufers PZ soll bei abstimmung des 10 wsc über den gesamten frequenzbereich bei gedrückter
oberstrichtetaste mindstens 0,4 A anzeigen .

i will says it's for repair purpose , that a second meter is provide !
may be not to every tank ?
pierre

[Funksammler]

you are right the double connector is same with freq prufer , but other side connector is different there is some small pictures in trenkle , we see that from the Platform with the 3 psu , cables are going down .
some panther variation , on regular tank , fu 5 fu 2 is on gear box
when it's an command tank the fu2 fu 5 is in the turret , and on the gearbox there is a 30 ws Mwec .

About antenna meter , 1012/1 ( Panther) says page 15 point 27 c
Zwischen antennenstab und antennefuss ein Antennenprufer ( PZ)
stekken . Das messinstrument des antennenprufers PZ soll bei abstimmung des 10 wsc über den gesamten frequenzbereich bei gedrückter
oberstrichtetaste mindstens 0,4 A anzeigen .

i will says it's for repair purpose , that a second meter is provide !
may be not to every tank ?
pierre

Ah OK, so the Antennenrprüfer was placed on the antenna base with the antenna on top to test the actual antenna current flowing into the antenna rod. Never seen this device, would be interesting to find a picture....

regards,

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[Yuri D.]

FS,

Here is a link to my work on a Panther. Hope it helps with your project:

http://battlefrequencies.com/restora...ther_v/fu5.php

[Funksammler]

I am still a bit confused as to the different racks used in the different versions of the Panther. The Littlefield setup seems to differ from other examples of the Ausf.A radio racks I have seen. They typically are a more substantial affair surrounding the whole inner frame set. I am hoping to get some more information on a rack recovered from an Ausf.G to see if and how the rack evolved between the A and G versions.

I have seen a similar setup to Littlefield's Panther (inner frames bolted together suspended between two hanging side frames) in late war Pz IV and I can see the point of the simplification. I would however expect to find this type of simplification on a Ausf. G rather than on an A.

But then who knows what happened in the maintenance workshops at the time, perhaps Littelfield's Panther was repaired and fitted with a later type radio rack.

regards,

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[Yuri D.]

I am still a bit confused as to the different racks used in the different versions of the Panther. The Littlefield setup seems to differ from other examples of the Ausf.A radio racks I have seen. They typically are a more substantial affair surrounding the whole inner frame set. I am hoping to get some more information on a rack recovered from an Ausf.G to see if and how the rack evolved between the A and G versions.

I have seen a similar setup to Littlefield's Panther (inner frames bolted together suspended between two hanging side frames) in late war Pz IV and I can see the point of the simplification. I would however expect to find this type of simplification on a Ausf. G rather than on an A.

But then who knows what happened in the maintenance workshops at the time, perhaps Littelfield's Panther was repaired and fitted with a later type radio rack.

regards,

Funksammler

Thanks FS. I'll check with the restorer/project manager of the Panther restoration. I also wonder where he got the design of the rack. I vaguely recall that it was copied from the rusted remains of the original rack. I'll check with him this evening.

[Yuri D.]

Just talked to the Panther restorer. He said that it was impossible to determine how the rack looked from the rusted original tank. He traveled to Aberdeen Proving Grounds, and examined their Panther G. The rack was based on his measurements from that tank.

[Funksammler]

Thanks Yuri, I spoke to another source who confirmed there was not much there to start with. So it seems that the rack they chose to replcate is probably not quite right for an Ausf. A.

regards,

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