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    A summary of the FF33 interconnection cord (Vermittlungskabel) issue

    Last time I dropped a photo comparing the FF33, the FF54 and the Czech TP25 interconnection cables. I decided to write a bit more about the topic, and share it with you; here it goes:

    0. FF26 cable, the predecessor of the FF33



    Practically identical to the FF33 cable, minor differences only:
    • the cord itself is thicker
    • it is longer
    • the bakelite insulator rings are red/maroon

    Under the bakelite grip is the maker info:



    V.Sa.Stp. 22a Din SH - "V" is for Vermittlung, "St"=Stecker, the logo is the well known Siemens&Halske.

    If you have the chance to buy one, do not hesitate: it will be perfect with an FF33 (and even authentic!).
    • cord length, color: 90cm, brown
    • grip material, color: bakelite, black
    • insulator rings material, color: bakelite, maroon
    • plug metal body diameter: 6,5mm
    • grip fixing screw: metal
    • grip strain relief ring: metal


    1. FF33 cable



    The cable was a standard part of the Feldfernsprecher33, put in the thin compartment near the battery case (I would say in 95% it is not present nowadays):



    Let's see the parameters first:
    • cord length, color: 68-70cm, brown
    • grip material, color: bakelite, black
    • insulator rings material, color: bakelite, black
    • plug metal body diameter: 6,5mm
    • grip fixing screw: metal
    • grip strain relief ring: metal




    Here is the plug dismounted (note the thin bakelite ring on the fixing screw part!):



    The wire connecting to the Lb terminal is completly covering the La one:



    On the opposite side is the maker mark, let's see two of them:



    One is from Richard Bosse &Co, the other from Ferdinand Schuchhardt (1939), well known FF33 and other line communication equipment makers.

    Maybe the most important thing to remember is the very unique "pagoda-like" ending of the plug, without ANY curved lines. This will be a very good parameter to distinguish it from the others:



    2. FF54 cables

    There are two type of cables. One is 45cm long and has a red grip (there might be some differences between makers, mostly in the grip fixing screw material):



    This one is atteched into the bakelit box cover:



    The parameters are:
    • cord length, color: 45cm, black
    • grip material, color: plastic, red
    • insulator rings material, color: plastic, black
    • plug metal body diameter: 5,7mm
    • grip fixing screw: metal or grey plastic
    • grip strain relief ring: plastic


    The other one is not part of the field telephone box. It measures 90cm and has a black grip:



    The parameters are:
    • cord length, color: 90cm, brown
    • grip material, color: plastic, black
    • insulator rings material, color: plastic, black
    • plug metal body diameter: 5,7mm
    • grip fixing screw: metal or grey plastic
    • grip strain relief ring: plastic


    3. Czech TP25 cable

    It is a post-war model, as well as the FF54. The most significant difference is the brown cord with green stripes:



    It is also part of the TP25 field telephone box:



    Parameters are:
    • cord length, color: 63-65cm, brown/green
    • grip material, color: plastic, black
    • insulator rings material, color: plastic, black
    • plug metal body diameter: 5,7mm
    • grip fixing screw: white plastic
    • grip strain relief ring: metal or white plastic


    There's a guy on Germen eBay selling these cables as Wehrmacht original FF33 ones, be careful!

    4. Comparison of the plugs

    As you may see, the Lb parts are roughly in the same position, but the La endings far from it. Note the curved lines of the FF54 and TP25 plugs:



    What happens when plugging them into the FF33 socket?

    FF33 plug:



    The La latch is holding in place the complete plug (due to the "pagoda-like" design and, of course the right lengths), evything fits.

    FF54 plug:



    Due to the incorrect length, the La latch is pushing out the plug, there will be no connection.

    TP25 plug:



    The situation is even worse: the plug is shorter, there's almost no Lb connection and the La latch is pushing out the plug.

    I hope I could help some of you, I say good bye with a funny photo, the idea came across to try:



    Take care, Volks!

    Csaba

    #2
    Thanks, very informative and clear!

    regards,

    Funksammler

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      #3
      Excellent !!!

      Thank you

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        #4
        Wasser.de had also nice overview of different connectors.

        From the left:

        - Wehrmachtsstecker (FF33)
        - neuer deutscher Stecker (FF54, OB10, OB30/150 etc)
        - NVA-Stecker (OB52, OB62, FF63 etc)
        - Schweizer Stecker (Armeetelephon Modell 1932/1947)
        - Russischer Stecker (P194M1)
        - Tschechischer Stecker (TP25)
        - Audiostecker (Hifi-Kopfhörer, Studiotechnik, Bühnentechnik etc.)







        http://www.wasser.de/telefon-alt/for...&kategorie=14-

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          #5
          Hi Val,

          you're right, Herr Cornelius' photo is telling a lot. If we align together the FF33 and the Swiss plugs properly, I'm almost sure the Swiss one would make good and stable connection between two FF33's:



          If anyone has one cord like this, pls. give it a try. If not, I'll try to contact Herr Cornelius.

          Csaba

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            #6
            Nice article thanks for sharing!

            My Vermittlungschnur:


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              #7
              Is there a source for the Swiss ones? Originals are so hard to come by and outrageously expensive.

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                #8
                Hi VW,

                I'm affraid the Swiss one might be even more difficult to get. And I do not have any source.
                But the FF54 one can be modified in order to get it work. If you use the black gripped one, it will be almost authentic when being plugged in.

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                  #9
                  Thanks for that csmagdo I will give it a try as I have some F54 chords.

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                    #10
                    Hi VW,

                    this is what you will have to do:



                    Then it will work like this:



                    It is not perfect and as stable as the original, but it works.

                    Csaba

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                      #11
                      That's excellent csmagdo thanks for taking the trouble to put up those pictures

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                        #12
                        Maker "M KF"

                        Another one arrived together with a Stöcker&Co FF33 (and Element d (T30)):



                        Interesting logo, I cannot identify it. Might be some Kabelfabrik starting with "M"...
                        Sometimes -due to space limitations- the logos on the plug body are different from the ones on the field phone (see the RB&Co in the original post of this thread).
                        Last edited by csmagdo; 11-09-2013, 08:10 AM. Reason: Some corrections

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                          #13
                          Now I can, the "FK" logo stands for Fritz Kuke KG, Berlin und Volkmarshausen.

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                            #14
                            Another two makers came accross during the months: Karl Wieser and Zwilling:

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                              #15
                              I was wrong, the second is not Zwilling, but Prchal-Ericsson (Rraha-Kolín).

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