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    Funkwagen Kfz 17 with FU 11 SE 100

    The last few years the majority of my hobby time and resources have gone to a major restoration project. The restoration is now nearing completion and I am giving this forum the post restoration "premiere".

    The Kfz 17 Funkwagen is the smallest fully enclosed Funkwagen built for the German Army. It was built on the chassis of the "Mittlere Einheits Pkw"; most surviving examples seem to be Horch 901 or Horch 901 Type 40 chassis with Horch V8 engines.

    A nunber of variations of this body type existed, the Kfz 17 radio car version with antennas for Long Wave radios, a telephone exchange version and the Kfz 17/1 with a VHF antenna configuration. My story is about a "Type 40" Kfz 17 long wave radio version.

    The "Type 40" version of the Horch 901 chassis was a slightly simplified version to speed up production, introduced in 1940. Previous models had a so called "Stutzachse" where the spare wheels, one on each side, were mounted on rotating hubs. The idea being that if the vehicle "bellied out" in the terrain, it would roll on it's spare wheels and would not get stuck. In practice however this caused the vehicle to loose traction so in the "Type 40" the "Stutzachse" was replaced by a single fixed spare wheel on the left side. For the Kfz 17, other changes included the replacement of the upper body work from wooden slats to pertinax sheeting and the fitting of a more effective folding roof antenna.

    A walk around the Horch 901 Type 40 Kfz 17:

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    The vehicle has two antennas fitted. The large roof antenna can be used while the vehicle is moving. It sits on four insulators which can turn on two spring loaded axis. In this way the antenna can be pulled down to reduce the overall height of the vehicle during transport. Togehter with the chassis, the roof antenna forms a large capacity so that a relatively large antenna current can be produced in the short leads connecting the transmitter to the chassis and antenna. Using a 100 W.S., the roof antenna would have a range of 40-60 Km using morse code, 10-20 Km using voice.

    Second antenna is the telescopic KM8 "Kurbelmast". In static situations a "Sternantenne" would be placed on top of the Kurbelmast and the mast would be extended:

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    With the 100 W.S. the "Sternantenne C" would be used. The "C" is similar to the "Sternantenna A", but the antenna rods can be extended to 2,5 meters to create a larger capactive area. The actual antenna is a 7,5 meter long "Antennezufuehrung" wire between the Sternantenna and the fixed antenna connnection on the left side of the vehicle. A small insulator arm prevents the antenna wire from hitting the side of the vehicle and roof antenna. To extend the range further, counterpoise wires would be connected the the rear wings of the vehicle. In stationairy configuration the range of the 100 W.S. could be extended to 160-200 Km using morse and about 60 Km using voice.

    The complete radio installations have a lot of "Zubehoer" and the vehicle is equiped with a variety of storage compartments, the main one in the back of the vehicle:

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    The rear compartment contains the Fu51 lamp set, a GG600 generator to recharge the batteries with a jerrycan of petrol and a can of oil. It contains herrings, earthpicks etc to build an external antenna. Further more is contains the "Tornister" backpacks of the crew and tent materials. When not in use the battery box for the Torn.E.b can also be stored in a special compartment. The framework in the storage compartment is removable so that access can be gained to the rear maintenance hatch above the rear fuel tank in the chassis.

    The interior of the Kfz 17 is split in two compartments. The front compartment contains the seats for the driver and commander of the Funktrupp:

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    The dashboard is pretty much standard Kfz 15/17. The controls are pretty much as in any 4x4, the unsynchronised 4 speed gearbox taking some getting used to. The lever between the seats engages the 4 wheel drive and low gearing. The car has automatic self locking differentials so it should be pretty good in rough stuff although at 3,5 ton fully loaded it has some weight to haul around.

    The E.W.c vibrating power supply for the Torn.E.b is placed on the left wall next to driver. If required, an additional E.U.a "Umformer" can be placed between the seats.

    The commander of the Funktrupp would sit in the co-driver seat. The right hand door contains a collapsible table on which the Enigma machine would be placed for en/de-crypting the messages. the right hand wall also contains the "Schaltkasten (Fu) b" connection box for the 12 V installation which supplies the radios.

    The ceiling contains a number of compartments for storing documents, some of which can be locked.

    The car is fitted with two batteries, the standard car battery plus a special battery on the floor under the radio table. These two batteries are placed in parallel and charged via a heavy generator on the engine. In stationairy position the GG600 Generator would be placed next to the vehicle to keep the batteries under charge.

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    A special fusebox connects the two batteries with the 12 V connection box. If need be, the radio installation plus the radio battery can be removed so that it can be set up away from the vehicle.

    The rear comportment contains a large table for mounting the radio installation and accessories:

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    The table runs the comple width of the vehicle. The top of the table is fitted with "rails" to which the "Spannband" belts of the radios can be fixed. A hinged portion of the table can be used as a writing surface, or can be folded down when not in use. A special bracket for the morse key is attached to the hinged section.

    On each sidewall above the table are two 12 V "Bosch" sockets and a "Gegengewicht" connector for the Transmitter and the receiver. The 12 V sockets are used for the E.W.c power supply and for lights mounted on the radios.

    The left hand side furthermore contains a connector for a field telephone and for the external antenna. On the right hand side has two holes, one for transferring the generator cable for the GG600, the other for an external antenna. The connectors and holes are covered by small sliding doors on the exterior of the vehicle.

    Under the table are a number of storage compartements. On the left hand side for example contains the "Kunstantenne" for the 100 W.S. and spare batteries for the Torn.E.b. On the right is the power supply for the transmitter, in this case a U100. The middle lockable compartment contains the Enigma cyphering machine.

    A bag fixed to the right rear door could be used to store the morse key and microphone for the transmitter.

    The two "Funkers" sat on box type seats:

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    The seat cushions can be removed and special "drawers" placed under the seats can be accessed. The boxes contain more "Zubehoer" such as paperwork and writing utensils as well as kit to measure and repair the radios. Also loose bits such as antenna insulators etc are stored here. The complete seat frames can be easily removed to give access to the middle maintenance hatch, which gives access to the rear differential and middle fuel tank.

    A "Zbg N 12" box is placed between the seats, this contains three special lamps to fit on the radios so that the sets can be operated in the dark. For this reason the vehicle would be fitted with blackout curtains in front of all windows as well as between the two crew compartments. Brackets to hold two rifles for the crew could also be placed between the seats against the back wall (a further two rifles could be stored in the front compartment, either side of the dashboard).

    The Kfz 17 could be fitted with various radio installations, in this example the FU 11 SE 100 consisting of the Torn.E.b and 100 W.S.:

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    Both the Torn.E.b and 100 W.S. are placed on special shock mounts and are fixed to the cable using special "Spannband" belts. In this way the set is securely fixed to the vehicle which is espeically important when driving through uneven terrain. The U100 power supply is fixed with special brackets and bolts to the bottom part of the table. Holes in the table allow the various cables to be tucked away. The "Gegengewicht" terminals on the transmitter and receiver are connected to the terminals on the sidewalls. The Antenna cable of the transmitter is connected to either the roof antenna or to the external antenna.

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    A long copper antenna lead is mounted on the upper part of the dividing wall between the two compartments. It connects to the external antenna connector on the top left wall of the vehicle. A shorter copper lead connects to an insulator going through the roof connecting to the roof antenna. The antenna lead is fastened with a wingnut to either antenna. A "Funkeruhr" station clock is placed in a bracked in the middle of the top dividing wall.

    The "parcel shelf" behind the rear seats can be used to store the crew's equipment. Four clothing hooks could be used to hang tunics or helmets. On the left of the parcel shelf is a bracket to hold a FF33 field telephone. A connection runs on the righthand wall to the telephone connection bracket next to the table.

    Of the approximately 7 to 10 surviving Kfz 17's, "WH 473 938" is currently probably the most complete example in existance. The Norwegian army museum also has a reasonably complete running example. There are another 5 or so restoration projects in various stages of progress. Still "WH 473 938" needs a lot of detailing before it will be 100% complete and correct.

    regards,

    Funksammler

    #2
    Fantastic Vehicle ! Congratulations Love it.
    Thanks for showing.

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      #3
      Nothing short of amazing. This is a unique vehicle, and you are very close to having it be complete.

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        #4
        It is a known fact that only a handful of these vehicles survived. None in untouched condition. Yours is probably the only one brought to this amazing state in the world. Keep it inside the garage :-)

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          #5
          A bit more general information on the Kfz 17 types and radio configurations. Most of the historic pictures have been sourced from the web (including Yuri's, I hope you don't mind using it :-)).

          First of all the Kfz 17 pre-1940 type:

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          The pre-1940 type can be easily recognised due to it's lower roof antenna. Early examples seem to use the slightly higher KM 9 instead of the KM 8. The top half of the bodywork is covered in wooden planks rather than solid plates. There would also be a spare wheel on the right hand side of the vehicle.

          This is a typical Kfz 17/1:

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          The Kfz 17/1 differed mainly in the antenna configuration. Instead of a roof antenna and Kurbelmast, the Kfz 17/1 had a 1.4 meter rod antenna mounted on the left hand side of the chassis. Counterpoise wires were built into the roof space of the vehicle. The Kfz 17/1 was used with VHF sets such as the FU 6 SE 20 and the FU 7 SE 20.

          A rarer version is the Kfz 17 "Fernsprechbetriebskraftwagen"

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          The telephone version of the Kfz 17 is fitted with a cable connection strip on the rear and it carries a number of large earth picks on the back. The cable connection strip on the rear has 20 pairs of connections indicating that the vehicle was fitted with a 20-line exchange. A luggage rack on the top could carry reels of telephone cable and other line building materials.

          This is a unidentified version of the Kfz 17:

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          This version is fitted with a large roof opening at the co-driver's position. Perhaps this was the "Kabelmess Kraftwagen" version of the Kfz 17 but I can not confirm this.

          A number of field modified version have been spotted, for example this version fitted with a DMG2T "Elster":

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          This version was used with a unit setting up "Knickebein" directional beacon on the France channel coast. It was probably used to measure and calibrate the antenna direction of the "Knickebein" installation, relaying the information with the UHF "Elster"

          Finally a picture of the successor of the Horch 901 based Kfz 17:

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          After 1942 the production of the "Mittlere Einheits Pkw" was phased out in favour of the Steyr 1500 chassis, which has a considerably simpler drivetrain than the Horch. A closed "Funkkraftwagen Kfz 17" was built on this chassis with a separate cabin mounted behind the cab.

          Interestingly the vehicle inventories of the divisions list the "Horch" Kfz 17 as a car while the "Steyr" Kfz 17 is listed as a truck.

          A number of radio configurations could be found in the Kfz 17.

          Fu 9 SE 5:

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          This was the "lightest" radio installation used in the Kfz 17. The range on the move was about 30 Km using more, 5 using voice. Using a" Sternantenne A" in stationairy position, this range roughly doubled.

          Fu 11 SE 100

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          This is the version I have chosen for my Kfz 17

          FU 6 SE 20 or Fu 7 SE 20:

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          The FU 6 SE 20 could communicate with the Panzer units while the FU 7 SE 20 was used to liaise with reconaissance aircraft fitted with the FuG 17.

          Some other versions I have encountered. First of all with the Lo40k39:

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          It is a well known story that in the North Africa campaign the distances grew so large, that the standard long wave equipment could no longer offer reliable communications and that for long distance communications the Lo40k39 transmitter was pressed into service. The photograph proves this beyond any doubt!

          The power supply unit is placed on the left with the transmitter on the right, with a Torn.E.b placed in the middle. There must have been a DC/AC converter placed under the table (I have seen versions build into the casing of the U80 Umformer) as the Lo40K39 requires a 220V 50Hz supply.

          FU 13 SE 20 + FU 1

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          This Kfz 17/1 (note the antenna mount visible through the door window) has a 20 W.S.c placed on top of two Ukw.E.e's. On the right a Torn.E.b on top of it's battery box can be spotted. This configuration was probably used as a liaison vehicle in a Panzer unit, with the Torn.E.b used to monitor the divisions command network.

          Note that the Torn.E.b receiver is used with and without the battery box. Sometimes the battery box is placed on top of the receiver. Normally the Torn.E.b would be supplied from the E.W.c fitted in the vehicle and the battery box would be stored in the back of the car.

          If you have interesting Kfz 17 photographs, please share them in this thread. I am particularly interested in interior snaps of the Fernsprechbetriebskraftwagen and other interesting radio configurations.

          regards,

          Funksammler

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            #6
            This is something completely different and unique! Nice work, must have been very difficult to obtain all the parts. Thanks for showing.

            Maurice

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              #7
              Originally posted by Maurice View Post
              This is something completely different and unique! Nice work, must have been very difficult to obtain all the parts. Thanks for showing.

              Maurice
              Thanks all for your comments. It is indeed quite different from the average "mail order" restoration. The car has parts on it from half of europe: Germany, Austria, France, Norway, Russia, Poland, Italy to name a few!

              Most surviving Kfz 17's can trace their provenance to Norway, where quite a number of them were left at the end of the war. Some of these vehicles were used for example as snowploughs or converted into fire trucks. In post war Germany a number of these vehicles were also converted into fire trucks. I can trace mine back to Germany in the mid 1980's but have no clues as to it's earlier history.

              Due to this conversion work and to the rotting of the mostly wooden body structure few original bodies survive today while probalby three times as many chassis exist. Most vehicle restorers however opt to restore their chassis with a repro open top Kfz 15 body (something that is a lot more easily available).

              Because no 100% complete original vehicle survives a lot of time is spend on research and identification of parts, even if they are ground dug. For example, the spring mounts for the roof antenna were recovered from the Falaise pocket; they came from a burned out wreck, the remains of which had been burried in a hedge. Needless to say they required a lot of restoration and remanufacture to get them back to their former glory!

              regards,

              Funksammler

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                #8
                Bravo, Remco !!!
                Lot of work ! rgds Ragnar

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                  #9
                  Fantastic job and a great project

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                    #10
                    Impressive. Does she run?

                    17/1 from autogallery.org.ru

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                      #11
                      Here seems to be one interior image.

                      (Interior de una radio estación vehicular (Horch Kfz 17).)

                      http://www.ccpmbarbarroja.site11.com...icaciones.html

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                        #12
                        Well, good you took the time, effort and was willing to spend the money to let this vehicle resurrect!

                        Your remark on the Falaise parts made me think, how many of the wrecks at Falaise could now be found in museums or collections, and how many parts served in a restoration? I think this question is difficult to answer, nor has to be answered, but it's a good thought to think that from the devastation of 1944 at least something good arose.

                        Kind regards,

                        Maurice

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                          #13
                          Originally posted by Val View Post
                          Impressive. Does she run?

                          17/1 from autogallery.org.ru

                          Thanks for sharing the link.

                          Some nice pictures of the first type Kfz 17. I did not touch yet on this version in my "story". This was an early 1930's version based on the two-wheel drive Horch 830R chassis so it lacked the off-road capability of the later models. It does not yet possess a roof antenna so it can only be used in stationairy position. Another major drawback was that the two Funkers in the back had to sit facing rearward (the radio table was mounted against the back wall of the vehicle) which must have been realy uncomfortable on the move.

                          I think the interior shown in the link is that of a converted flatbed truck, you can see the improvised roof antenna under the tarpaulin of the truck. This is another version of the "Kfz 17" I did not yet touch on. Due to a lack of specialised vehicles, ordinairy flatback trucks were converted into improvised radio cars. A special set of tables, seats and storage units would be fixed to the cargo area and an improvised roof antenna would be built overhead. This picture shows a typical interior for one of these improvised Kfz 17's.

                          regards,

                          Funksammler

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                            #14
                            Superb work. Bravo.

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                              #15
                              Oh my god!!
                              That is a beautifully restored wehicle. I absolutely love it.
                              Congratulations with a incredible addition for your collection. I am amazed by all the original parts that you have collected and restored for it.
                              This is the ultimate communications display. And you can drive it to town
                              Thanks for sharing these beautiful pictures.

                              Again - Congratulations



                              Best Regards
                              Björn

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