Chaplain visor cap very nice

[casey76]

on a german auction house this chaplain visor cap was for sale.
Maker "Albert Fischer Leipzig"

I just want to know what you think about. Sorry I only have this one photos out of the auction

https://www.andreas-thies.de/onTEAM/...65_257_288.pdf

Lot No. 333

[enorepap]

There was an A. Fischer retailer of military equipments in Landsbergerstr. 37 of Leipzig:

http://digital.slub-dresden.de/werka.../92896/1911/0/
http://digital.slub-dresden.de/werka...f/92896/234/0/
http://digital.slub-dresden.de/werka.../92896/1510/0/

Only one picture, as used in Thies auctions, is absolutely insufficient to judge it, but I do not like the front badges anyway.

Best regards

[solo]

Only one picture, as used in Thies auctions, is absolutely insufficient to judge it, but I do not like the front badges anyway.


I'm with enorepap ,I don't liche the frontal badges
Carlo

[steiner99]

I had the cap today in my hands! It's was a very nice 100% original chaplain cap! Gratulation to the new owner!

[stonemint]

Bullion crosses are a great source of controversy.
Janke cranked them out by the thousands.
I have yet to see a period photo of a bullion cross in wear, but they are regularly on "chaplain" visors for sale today.


There is a thread that deals with this:


http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...light=chaplain


As for the hat itself, w/o the all-critical interior and under the hood pix, no way to confirm originality.

[pauke]

Just the way the piping above and below the cap band bulges in and out this hat could only be from a sinner/repro artist. From this one image I would not think it's original at all.

[giorgio]

Bullion crosses are a great source of controversy.
I have yet to see a period photo of a bullion cross in wear,
As for the hat itself, w/o the all-critical interior and under the hood pix, no way to confirm originality.

I fully agree with Stonemint about judgment of the cap itself, even if it doesn't make me crazy.....
About the period photos I saved this old footage( I think I got it here on this forum) from which I have extrapolated these two still images......if I'm not wrong that is a bullion cross......
All my best from Turin
Giorgio

[BenVK]

Nice images, thanks for posting!

Regarding auction houses and photos, they drive me completely nuts!

For example, the auction house selling this cap only had one photo of it.
I asked them to email me more photos but instead of doing that, they uploaded them to their website instead which obviously drove the bidding up. Yeah, thanks for that!

http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...d.php?t=985218

Another auction house I know in Germany charges 5 euro extra per additional photo you ask for!!

[enorepap]

Well. I reiterate that with a single image this is an unattractive Russian roulette where the odds are very low and the price very high. Perhaps he was Baldur's (also on auction) personal druid and then it will be a big hit; maybe it's a painful reassembly and then it will be a bad stumbling block.

Actually in the magnificent thread recalled by Stonemint (fed with great capacity by Chris Liontass and still active after six years) there are rare examples of embroidered visors' crosses. However, even assuming that they are exactly of the type under examination, they are well spaced with respect to the intermediate piping and do not enter deeply, as in the present case, in the space between the upper leaves of the oak & cockade. Furthermore, it seems to me that the background material of the front badges is made of two different color (darker for the eagle and the cross); therefore, in truth, the cross would be individually cut out and superimposed, but from the single image is not given to appreciate and estimate the quality of the seams. Even the true color of the pipings is, in my opinion, impossible to determine in a very accurate way. Finally, it seems to me that there is a strange sign under the right wing of the eagle. Perhaps the hole of a previous metal eagle? In this case, it would be clear that the new embroidered eagle was placed too low precisely to cover clumsily these signs and this caused the necessarily squeezing of the cross.

Sorry for all my "if" & "it seems to me". For any complaints, please contact Mr. Thies who saves on the photos ... rather if Casey lights up with his opinion and Steiner (who say he has had his cap in his own hands) has some additional photography, that would be very useful ...

Best regards

[stonemint]

I am not so sure this depicts a bullion cross--to me, it appears to be a machine-embroidered cross on a padded backing.
It is definitely not the "Janke" type we see so often.

[enorepap]

Yes Chris, in my opinion a cross for a "crusher"

[giorgio]

It is definitely not the "Janke" type we see so often.

Agree...

[FrenchVolunteer]

Hi,

some close-ups of the cap, courtesy of Andreas Thies.

The cap was sold for 1,700 euros (without fees).

See You

Vince

[enorepap]

Many thanks Vince I now think that these detailed images leave little room for imagination. A second hole is now visible under the left wing. The cross is spurious and the eagle seems to have been applied by a farrier. It seems to me that there is enough to compliment the new owner

Best regards

[casey76]

[So what now?

Cap is not good?




QUOTE=enorepap;8328138]Many thanks Vince I now think that these detailed images leave little room for imagination. A second hole is now visible under the left wing. The cross is spurious and the eagle seems to have been applied by a farrier. It seems to me that there is enough to compliment the new owner

Best regards[/QUOTE]