erel general visor - authentic ?

[Sonderkommando]

Hi Chris, Carlo beat me to it but that's what I'm seeing as well....brand new stitching around the sweatband.
My feeling is the same as some of the others, that this cap has been re-worked into a Generals cap.
It has been EXTREMELY well done, but never-the-less it's been done...IMHO.

[chrisutter]

Then, we have this point of view about the buttons

Chincord button looks to have a sta-brite finish

A closer view of one of them may help the debate to progress ...

[chrisutter]

The sweatband in your is a resewn one

brand new stitching around the sweatband

Soory Carlo and Sonderkommando, I don't share your opinion at all and see no evidence of new stitching !
If you can state on hand of this pictures, and without hand in hand examination, that the stitching is resewn or brand new,
we don't have the same approach of studying items.

Exept the fact that is may be very hard, with a machine, to re-sew into the same holes as the original ones...

Just a question however :
Let's suppose the piping has been replaced from, I don't now, an infantry one to a general one... which is the main hypothesis here,
why should they have changed the sweat band

[chrisutter]

ddss

[BenVK]

Chris, I can guarantee you that that blue/grey thread has been re-stitched by hand and is not original stitching done in the Robert Lubstein workshops.

Does it continue all the way around the sweatband is it only in the area of the visor?

[enorepap]

Hallo chrisutter

I state that I do not wish to debate, but let me summarize:

Steiner 68 requested an opinion on this purported Erel’s general.

The opinions have focused on these facts: the sweatband has been (at least partially) resewn and (in my humble opinion) also the pipings.

At this point you've taken action (“Since I have this visor in hand” post 42), firstly with an obvious and shareable observation (post 28) and then with a comparison with another visor (of which you did not cite the source).

I've found it (an old thread started by member Koguryo9). It was on sale by Weitze five years ago and it received a positive assestment:
http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...t=erel+general
At that time I did not intervene, but now I tell you in that case I did not see signs of restitched sweatband or pipings.

Because they are two different visors, I do not understand what you want now to prove with this comparison

I cite from BenVK: “When you see an Erel that has noticeably thicker thread and unequal spacing between stitches, that's a sure sign that the sweatband has been re-stitched by hand”. I agree with this statement.

Generally speaking on the matter, I advice all reading these threads from some years ago:
http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...t=erel+general
http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...t=erel+general
http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...general&page=6

Best regards

[chrisutter]

Enorepap.
Thank your for the links to some other general visors threads, for which I try to understand the meaning and the reason why you are shoving this to this thread ...

I noticed also that you tried to discredit this visor arguing that (post 25) :

Robert Kappe was a confirmed Schneidermeister of Magdeburg, Koenigstrasse 61 and Eichendorffstrasse 1, in front of the Military Hospital, see 1940 Magdeburg adressbuch:

Also with some links to some "phone book pages", for which I still try to understand the reason why you put them in this thread, presenting them as a proof

This is the reality

that this visor can't be real ...

Meanwhile, everybody seems to have accepted that your intervention in that way, stating that Robert Kappe could not have sell some Erel viros as a distibutor, was at least ... let's say inappropriate .... or even completly inadequate (sorry)

Further, you exposed your belief in a restiched piping... this is your opinion indeed but I don't want to comment this further because I don't share it at all !

Permit me however at this point to explain you why I made the comparison of present visor with the visor shown in 2011 in this thread :

http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...t=erel+general

The reason is that I believe that the quality of the piping of the present visor is, at least, as good if not better, as the piping of the visor shown with the golden insignas...
and the latter has been, even without close views on the sweat band stitching, accepted by this forum as a good one,
in another time, by other people ....


BenVI
Thank you for your indication in post 50,
It would however be very appropriate to make a focus on this

blue/grey thread has been re-stitched

... I try desperately to find it in the given pics ?
Thank you in advance for your help.

[chrisutter]

Ben,
I got the point now of the blue grey thread you, and solo, highlighted ...

As this threard appears to be present on other Erel visors, exactly at the same place, I'm still not convinced :
http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru....php?p=5915050

Now it's an open subject to speak about the colors of threads used by the Erel manufactures... and the fact that a blue grey one is no so good as a beige one ...
Can someone say that blue grey is a color never used in the treats by Lubstein ??

[enorepap]

Hallo Chrisutter

I consider myself satisfied with your answer and I leave to others the further evaluation.

I wish to specify only what I have already clearly written (post 31): So, I do not see any problems with the fact Kappe sold Erel visors. I do not remember somebody said to have interpreted here my specification in the opposite way, ie I was stating Robert Kappe was not an Erel retailer. My words are clear.

For the rest, I thank you for clarifying the reason of the comparison with the 2011 visor.

Best regards